Cape Independence!

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Check this group I found on facebook. It's calling for the autonomy/independence of the Western Cape. It's nothing racial (they say it's for Capetonians of all races and cultures), I guess they just fed up with the SA government and want to split.

Here's the link to the group:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2372533283
 
CTSA said:
Check this group I found on facebook. It's calling for the autonomy/independence of the Western Cape. It's nothing racial (they say it's for Capetonians of all races and cultures), I guess they just fed up with the SA government and want to split.

Here's the link to the group:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2372533283
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It was not racial you would not have felt the need to mention it. :rolleyes:

You always get these type of nutjobs that want to be separate from the rest of the country. Now I guess Oranje must be full.

The most dissapointing aspect of this group is the DA being in support of such a move, and here I thought they were serious about being an opposition party in a democracy. Nice to see the old NP influence surfacing in this particular extract from the group.

8.3 Federalism accommodates diversity

South Africa has a diverse and deeply divided society. South Africa is also a country of cultural, political, geographic and linguistic diversity. This diversity is a national asset that needs to be developed in a spirit of mutual respect, tolerance and conciliation. Devolution of power helps to accommodate this diversity by multiplying the sites of power. Therefore, the success of the Constitution in dealing with this diversity will be determined by the degree of legislative and executive power devolved to provincial and local governments.

The key challenge is to recognise and cater for divisions that exist, and which will not disappear in the foreseeable future, without exacerbating those divisions.
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Sounds a lot like the policy of separate development in Apartheid. :sick:
 
What's so wrong with separate?

What's wrong is how things are put into place apartheid was unfair because it simply said that the nicest land was automatically white land, that is a different thing. Separatism is not necessarily wrong, rather that many of the ways in which it has been practiced before has been abused or not used correctly.
 
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sox63 said:
It was not racial you would not have felt the need to mention it. :rolleyes:

You always get these type of nutjobs that want to be separate from the rest of the country. Now I guess Oranje must be full.

The most dissapointing aspect of this group is the DA being in support of such a move, and here I thought they were serious about being an opposition party in a democracy. Nice to see the old NP influence surfacing in this particular extract from the group.



Sounds a lot like the policy of separate development in Apartheid. :sick:
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The DA doesn't support this. There's a difference between federalism and autonomy/independence. Federalism is like the US, Australia and Germany, what's wrong with that? And actually I agree with it, can you imagine a DA-Western Cape and an ANC-national government working together? I can't, and guess who will get the short end of the stick, Western Cape. Exactly how we Capetonians are getting the short end of the stick in a current ANC-western cape. At least with a more strengthened federalism comapred to the current one, the DA can govern the Western Cape more freely and without ANC/SACP's strangling hold.
 
phenom said:
can see many voting for this.

but would it work?

I support it. when cape town does this, i'm moving to joburg. :p lockem up!
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Lol you really think many would vote for this?

Moving to Joburg? I guess you don't support it hey :rolleyes:. lol
 
CTSA said:
Lol you really think many would vote for this?

Moving to Joburg? I guess you don't support it hey :rolleyes:. lol
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No I do, just lock those gangsters all up. you can do that, id move to kwa-zulu

Seriously, just want to separate the Cape Flats. If we could do that, and the whole CI thing, then Cape Town would be great.

*EDIT: By use of the term 'Cape Flats' I am referring soley to the barbarians who can't keep to themselves in public places, and those who moronically remove their front teeth so that they could resemble vampires or something.

Yes actually, hearing around many are in a bad mood here, not that theirs anything unusual about that, just that now it seems a tiny bit heated, with all the power failing, the government crumbling, the rand going down to nowhere and many other reasons. I honestly think that these people may have a chance to speak.
 
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Hahahahaha I forgot that. We Capetonians who don't live there, usually forget that place even exists lol.
 
sox63 said:
It was not racial you would not have felt the need to mention it. :rolleyes:

You always get these type of nutjobs that want to be separate from the rest of the country. Now I guess Oranje must be full.

The most dissapointing aspect of this group is the DA being in support of such a move, and here I thought they were serious about being an opposition party in a democracy. Nice to see the old NP influence surfacing in this particular extract from the group.

Sounds a lot like the policy of separate development in Apartheid. :sick:
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The New South Africa was never supposed to be as centralised in authority as it became under Mbeki, eg last week when parliament voted to dissolve the Scorpions was just another step in the centralisation of power into the executive. This was not supposed to happen.

The ANC is all for democracy on the level of individuals, but multiparty democracy? Forget it... and they'll just bulldoze the bill through into law despite a united opposition. Who cares what the opposition think? prevails.

Orwell said:
No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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You are of course familiar with the doctrines of national autonomy and self-determination, right sox63?
 
sox63 said:
It was not racial you would not have felt the need to mention it. :rolleyes:
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Because there is unfortunately those who are obsessed with race. Along with those in power who would no doubt use the race card here

You always get these type of nutjobs that want to be separate from the rest of the country. Now I guess Oranje must be full.
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I dunno. Nutjobs seem to be running the country so they should feel right at home

The most dissapointing aspect of this group is the DA being in support of such a move, and here I thought they were serious about being an opposition party in a democracy. Nice to see the old NP influence surfacing in this particular extract from the group.
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Perhaps the ANC should start taking the opposition and our democracy seriously. Maybe then the DA wouldn't want to support this
 
Oddly, I remember my Aunt talking about a breakaway 'colony' many years ago when I went to visit her in Cape Town ('82 - '84). She went on about Cape Town and surrounds ability to sustain itself. Cannot remember the details (It was all blah blah blah to a young teenager)
 
Debbie said:
The New South Africa was never supposed to be as centralised in authority as it became under Mbeki, eg last week when parliament voted to dissolve the Scorpions was just another step in the centralisation of power into the executive. This was not supposed to happen.

The ANC is all for democracy on the level of individuals, but multiparty democracy? Forget it... and they'll just bulldoze the bill through into law despite a united opposition. Who cares what the opposition think? prevails.



You are of course familiar with the doctrines of national autonomy and self-determination, right sox63?
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Parliament is not the executive. The executive is the president and his cabinet(ruling party). Parliament is the legislative body of the country and bills are rightly passed there where they are put to the vote.

So, WC wants to be another Swaziland/Lesotho, I say let them be If that's what the WC pips want.
But wait what if the DA does not win and the ANC wins instead?:confused:
Would it be like a South African colony:confused:
 
Na if the ANC wins, nothing changes... well except for things getting worse with SACP all over the place. But there's so much anti-ANC resentment in the Western Cape now, it's impossible for them to win. Even the ANC members are fed up and resigning lol. The main battle will be between the DA and the ID. I think the DA will get most of the vote but not a majority, so it'll have to form a coalition with the ID, similar to the Cape Town one.
 
JungleBoy said:
Parliament is not the executive. The executive is the president and his cabinet(ruling party). Parliament is the legislative body of the country and bills are rightly passed there where they are put to the vote.
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Parliament voted for the absorption of the Scorpions into SAPS. The executive directs SAPS and appoints and protects beyond reason the commissioner thereof. This was a clear act of centralisation of power into the executive branch.
 
Ya I heard they want to bring the old camissa river back on top within 10 years, which will provide a direct link from Table Mountain to the the Harbour. So awesome!! Other projects are also a new inner city transport system, the total makeover of the station and the sinking of the rail lines until woodstock station, which will free up land for development (which they want to be residential to increase inner city residents to 155,000). All the squares are being refurbished and urban landscaping is being done in several precincts. There are many other projects as well, I mean a total of R30 billion rand is being pumped into the Cape Town! :)

Check this for all the information on Central Cape Town:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=503141&page=7

Cape Town is going great!!
 
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I think I'll move back to Joburg if Cape Town gains independence. Can you imagine Slaapstad being independent? :eek:
 
Will black people be allowed to get an education and will they be "equal" to white people in this "cape independence country"? Or will their role be only to be gardeners, domestic workers, miners (not sure if there are mines in the western cape) and call white people "master", "baas", etc?
 
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