Cape Independence!

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There are regions they want to incorporate into the Cape republic outside the WC at a later stage after Independence, but their focus will for now remain on the WC.

Get over yourself.
 
ToxicBunny said:
I don't have to "paint" you as racist... you've done that job pretty well in your own posts dude...

And yes, it is elitist because you want "Cape Independence" which historically can only REALLY be justified as the whole of the old Cape Colony, which you have stated you don't want.. you only want the economic "powerhouse" of the region.. you don't want the poorer rural parts of the old Cape Colony.
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Toxic, I think youre racist. And a sexist. And a homosexual. Thats what im reading from your posts. Now cause im saying so does it make it so?

Personally id prefer the whole Old Cape colony but the western Cape will do just fine thanx. Has nothing to do with race. Obviously if your going to pick a slice of the area youd more than likely choose the WC. Dont see anything wrong with that. So I suppose you can 'justify' my balls.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Yes, so they've attacked the judiciary... whoop dee doo.. have they enabled any laws that limit the judiciaries powers?

Nationalization of the SABC?.. are you serious or did you not know that the SABC has ALWAYS been government property?
Attacks on the media.. EVERY government attacks the media when they expose the stupidity of the politicians.

Disbanding the scorpions was a stupid move, no doubt about it.. but I'll wait to see what DIPSI is capable of before I call it a total failure.

Failure to act on Zimbabwe? what, other than negotiations, where we supposed to do?

We're a part of the SADC which does have certain requirements in terms of population movements.



Cape-Independence : You've been told this before here.... you're dealing with a well educated audience who WILL pick your points to piece if they're wrong... so do you research BEFORE posting drivel.
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Odd to see you now backing ANC policy. Thought you were a dyed in the wool, DAzilled by middle-aged woman supporter.
 
Cape-Independence / CapeNat:

Your lack of fundamental political knowledge and your tendency to thumb suck figures and statistics has tarnished any credibility that the Cape Party might have had on this forum.

Judging from your responses, it seems like your party is more interested in separation and domination than opposition.
 
Why would the ppl at the Cape Party be interested in dominating anyone? What do you base THAT on?

You are right one one part, we are interested in seperation, yes. Hit the nail on the head. Secession and fast!
 
From the DA:

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Without an independent judiciary, the doctrine of the separation of powers becomes a dead letter, the rule of law disintegrates, and democracy dies.
 
genetic said:
Cape-Independence / CapeNat:

Your lack of fundamental political knowledge and your tendency to thumb suck figures and statistics has tarnished any credibility that the Cape Party might have had on this forum.

Judging from your responses, it seems like your party is more interested in separation and domination than opposition.
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The word "Independence" in their title should have been a clue. :pDominance? Where does that come from. More like a guiding light.
 
genetic said:
Cape-Independence / CapeNat:

Your lack of fundamental political knowledge and your tendency to thumb suck figures and statistics has tarnished any credibility that the Cape Party might have had on this forum.
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I have a fundamental lack of political knowledge I don't dispute that, however until you anti independence guys come up with facts to debate with then I'm in good company ;) I know your post was not directed at me, on one hand in this "debate" you have guys supporting the independence movement and guys who do not, and it's the guys who do support it that are coming out with facts ... I'm more than willing to engage in a mature debate.

I'm all for independence and have made my reasons pretty clear, and yes there are still some unanswered questions in some respects, but in my opinion they have a good case to claim independence. It's an informed decision on my part, and I'm sure in due course I will have answers to the more"fuzzy" areas of the movement.

I have yet, to see any argument that points out why the Cape cannot seek independence, I've seen opinions and interpretations of law etc, but no law to say it's definately not possible. If you feel strongly about this then speak to your local political leader and find out what their stance is on independence, get facts and then bring them here because for me they are welcome.

Judging from your responses, it seems like your party is more interested in separation and domination than opposition.
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Judging from your outright argument against the whole independence movement I take it you have yet to see the Cape Party web site to see their case for independence. (Yes not the most fantasically designed site in the world, however I believe any questions you have should be answered there and if you have one that is not then let me know and I'll get an official response from the Cape Party guys.

On the separation and domination part of your post as Sackboy says the whole idea of independence is separation, nowhere has the Cape Party said they want to dominate.
 
I have a fundamental lack of political knowledge I don't dispute that, however until you anti independence guys come up with facts to debate with then I'm in good company I know your post was not directed at me, on one hand in this "debate" you have guys supporting the independence movement and guys who do not, and it's the guys who do support it that are coming out with facts ... I'm more than willing to engage in a mature debate.
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This little bit I have a SMALL problem with Retrobok. Cape-Independence and even CapeNat to a point have both posted facts that have been thoroughly rebuked, and even proved to be downright lies many times by the real facts presented here but the people who don't support independence.


I'm all for independence and have made my reasons pretty clear, and yes there are still some unanswered questions in some respects, but in my opinion they have a good case to claim independence. It's an informed decision on my part, and I'm sure in due course I will have answers to the more"fuzzy" areas of the movement.

I have yet, to see any argument that points out why the Cape cannot seek independence, I've seen opinions and interpretations of law etc, but no law to say it's definately not possible. If you feel strongly about this then speak to your local political leader and find out what their stance is on independence, get facts and then bring them here because for me they are welcome.
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Your reasons are fine, since you're not necessarily part of this country, and it would alter your decision to return to the area should the Cape gain independence. Yes I personally have a massive problem with that point of view, but it is your point of view so thats fine. The bigger problem with this Cape independence thing is they have YET to come out and define the area they want to have independent and no the Western Cape is not acceptable since it matches no historical boundaries of the Cape Colony. As for the legal aspects, yes I agree the legal aspects of secession are grey at best, BUT Cape-Independence didn't help their cause, on this forum at least, but attempting to quote out of context Article 235 of the Constitution of South Africa, which the Cape Part themselves do on their site themselves, and I find that even more reason to treat them with disdain. The rest of that "FAQ's" page is full of opinion and blatantly incorrect facts, that Cape-Independence has tried to use in this discussion and they've pretty much ALL been proven to be lies and mistruths

I have in my own personal capacity contacted the DA to get their take on this issue and on this specific debate as the DA have been implicated in this a few times by Cape-Independence or CapeNat

Actually, now that I've gone through the Cape Party site in a bit more detail I'm even MORE against their "cause" than before.
 
http://ctglobalist.za.org/2009/04/cape-independence-before-the-second-coming-2/

For all these concerns of Kay’s (Cape) party for the native population of the Cape, they clearly border on outright intolerance towards the racial other. One of the party’s pamphlets distributed during the election campaign singled out “black migrants” for receiving resources that belong to the local population. During the interview, Kay elaborates on this, saying that his party is frustrated about the way migrants from the Eastern Cape are disturbing the Cape’s social order.”We want one Cape people so that there’s a sense of community. I can’t have a radically different view of the world to someone else and still get along… We can have differences of opinion, but not totally different cultures,” says Kay. The Cape Party has a disturbing expectation for people to change their cultural behaviours according to its own, and what it sees as the Cape’s, standards. When you consider this, you can’t shake the feeling that Kay and his party want to build the utopian Cape society on an unfathomable, pseudo-heterogeneous, disturbing foundation.
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Just one of the reasons I (and the majority) of the WC won't support this right wing movement.
 
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Firstly, Genetic, I can find a hundred media posts on the internet who are blatantly PRO AND against the DA, ANC, anyone else. The fact that you found 1 thats totally biased against the movement, and then use it as claim that its racially motivated and not supported by alot of ppl down here, shows your own immaturity, not that of the Cape Party.
 
"Just one of the reasons I (and the majority) of the WC won't support this right wing movement..."

When last were YOU in Alexandria, Mitchell's Plain, or Macassar? EVERYONE we had contact with there OVERWHELMINGLY supported it. EVERYONE. Sounds like you have a very skewed Northern view on what the Cape's demographics are pal.
 
what about that town in the desert ? Orange...something. Nice warm weather. Sounds like a grand spot for little independance.
 
Dude, your a funny guy, go check out what the Cape Party is about and then come to me with that s@#$, coz you obviously way off track.
 
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