CapeXit 2

[Splinter]

He apparently can't hear himself in the context of 200+ million corpses in the 20th century due to murder, by governments, of their own fellow citizens.

To him - and apparently to you too - it has no bearing on centralization of control today.

Everyone else who knows the bear minimum of 20th century history reads this and thinks, this guy is a hazard.... keep him away from politicians and their cronies who lobby for centralized power to increase.

Besides you having a rather silly and extreme opinion here, how did it relate to that specific post you quoted?

 

[Splinter]

Do your own research. (I did mention that there's much detail in CIAG"s Q&A's.)

So, you cling to the "do your own research" deflection, just like lexie did.

Rather than just saying it is an unfounded opinion of yours....

 

[Brian_G]

So, you cling to the "do your own research" deflection, just like lexie did.

Rather than just saying it is an unfounded opinion of yours....

You like to wrestle in the mud... be my guest, but I don't (usually) do that

 

[Splinter]

I think I need to report both BG and lexie for going off topic for all this moaning about being reported.

The report button is there for a reason. And people can use it as they wish - but excessive reporting in itself can be viewed negatively by mods/admin, so it's not some draconian and anonymous tool, that those who disagree with you use nefariously to damage your ego's.

So lets move on, and see how many more times logic, reason and facts can be ignored in this fantasy scenario of a WC secession.

 

[Splinter]

You like to wrestle in the mud... be my guest, but I don't (usually) do that

How is the obvious, mud? This self-promotion as a noble and moral victim does not fly.

 

[vigras rojara]

So many presumptions.. how unusual :-/


Guys, who says he hasn't raised the funds, or a decent part of that? He usually follows through you know

And you really think this dude is gonna allow things to just sommer fail twice?? Lol


(Apologies for Bill Gates being included in the following point)

View attachment 1865684

Sure, he probably has raised the funds. Most people have the required sum of "less than communism" available. Even I do.

*In reality, we know he hasn't. He would have organised the referendum that they're clamouring for by now if he had. Shopping trips to DC are more important anyway.

 

[Brian_G]

The report button is there for a reason. And people can use it as they wish - but excessive reporting in itself can be viewed negatively by mods/admin, so it's not some draconian and anonymous tool, that those who disagree with you use nefariously to damage your ego's.

More or less agree.

Some will use it wildly though, especially in this political section. Some of us think rather not. That's how it goes in public

 

[Brian_G]

Sure, he probably has raised the funds. Most people have the required sum of "less than communism" available. Even I do.

*In reality, we know he hasn't. He would have organised the referendum that they're clamouring for by now if he had. Shopping trips to DC are more important anyway.

If you say so.....

Not in the mood to debate today, but you'll see anyway

 

[vigras rojara]

If you say so.....

Not in the mood to debate today, but you'll see anyway

So they've raised the cash for their much desired referendum, but are doing nothing to organise one?

That would be dodgy AF.

 

[Brian_G]

So they've raised the cash for their much desired referendum, but are doing nothing to organise one?

That would be dodgy AF.

Should take place by 2037 or so, guaranteed

 

[lexity]

Perhaps. But it is cowardly to censor people who's view you disagree with. And I also think your opening post may have had something to do with it.

possibly, but my name is not gypsy-rose, i have no magical tea leaves, nor do i posses a crystal ball.
so maybe, maybe not.
i do however stand behind the post - this thread is for discussion around w/c secession - not libertarian philosophy.

Perhaps you should clarify what you mean by libertarian philosophy, since the the middle class owes it's very existence to the pursuit of wisdom(the meaning of the word 'philosophy').

Anyone who's interested in discussing a better form of government, is interested in libertarian philosophy.

I already mentioned this but you guys seem determined to reserve the right to remain impervious to reasoned, logical discussion if it means you have to change your mind on something.

Consigning discussion to the Philosophy section, for example, because it corners you logically, when applied to the real world discussed in other threads, is cowardly.

You both show the same intractability in so far as the strongest argument winning goes.

It's as though you dare not let go of the initiation of the use of force, as your fall back option.

 

[Brian_G]

Consigning discussion to the Philosophy section, for example, because it corners you logically, when applied to the real world discussed in other threads, is cowardly.

Mornin' Lex

How many years have you been able to post your very detailed philosophy on these secession threads? Nobody has stopped you.
Sure, there's a new Mod (presumably) who is more sensitive to the way you do that, but you're going ballistic here man.

The idea is - don't hog. That's all. (And some prefer not to read a book when here)

Philosophy section makes it easi(er) to keep things less constricted to those more passionate who tend to dominate.
Can't be more polite than that....

 

[lexity]

i suspect you might enjoy afternoon tea with a neighbor of mine - not "boundary wall neighbor" but no more than
30m away neighbor.
julian kinderlerer.

julian is direct neighbor to dion george, who is direct neighbor to me - interesting conversations . . .

On ethics, trust and responsible R&I - Interview with Professor Julian Kinderlerer​

Wow...

I would agree, on enjoying talking to this guy, although I'm not sure he would enjoy it as much.

 

[lexity]

@lexity another question to you, if you want to answer.

Doesn't the OHM Party have or hold many of your core values and beliefs, in a "political" sense, not necessarily in your own personal sense.

Are they not somewhat aligned with the same "political" views and stance as the CI movement etc ?

Not talking about a referendum or independence here, just opinions, views, stance, beliefs and values in a political sense.

LINK:

Bot Verification

Yes. We share a distrust of the same kind of people for the most part.

If I can sum up what they are doing, simply, at the risk of oversimplifying it...

They are dedicated to installing better spenders of other peoples' money, people who's consent they don't need.

The State is by definition an attempt at justification and rationalization for compromising one's morals in terms of respect for self-ownership.

People like to think, if only we can replace the bad, corrupt people in govt, everything will be alright.

The trouble ofc is that the incentives to become corrupt are bigger than any 'good/better' individual's good intentions.

Imo, unless we recognize this incentive problem/real-world effect, we're going to be treading Socialist water until we run out of energy.

 

[BBSA]

I don’t support the idea of the Western Cape breaking away, but I do think South Africa would work a lot better with a more decentralised, Swiss-style system. Our country is too diverse for everything to be run from Pretoria, and provinces should have more control over things like policing, energy and budgets. It’s not about dividing the country it’s about giving regions the freedom to solve their own problems and be held accountable for the results. I want a stronger, united South Africa, just with power closer to the people.

 

[Brian_G]

I don’t support the idea of the Western Cape breaking away, but I do think South Africa would work a lot better with a more decentralised, Swiss-style system. Our country is too diverse for everything to be run from Pretoria, and provinces should have more control over things like policing, energy and budgets. It’s not about dividing the country it’s about giving regions the freedom to solve their own problems and be held accountable for the results. I want a stronger, united South Africa, just with power closer to the people.

That's actually the real hope of many WC secessionists - ask for plenty, end up offered enough..

Swiss Canton would be ideal.

 

[BBSA]

That's actually the real hope of many WC secessionists - ask for plenty, end up offered enough..

Swiss Canton would be ideal.

I think we should have this option in the poll.

 

[Brian_G]

I think we should have this option in the poll.

@Grant ?

 

[lexity]

Mornin' Lex

How many years have you been able to post your very detailed philosophy on these secession threads? Nobody has stopped you.
Sure, there's a new Mod (presumably) who is more sensitive to the way you do that, but you're going ballistic here man.

The idea is - don't hog. That's all. (And some prefer not to read a book when here)

Philosophy section makes it easi(er) to keep things less constricted to those more passionate who tend to dominate.
Can't be more polite than that....

What utter rubbish, Brian_G.

Perhaps you don't know what you are a part of, here. This is the battle of ideas.

If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

Rather become a reader, until you have some of your own thoughts that you can originate, and elucidate on, on the topic.

Btw, your posts are longer than mine going back a few months, now. And anyway, it's rare I post a long post, I give mostly short descriptions ..... until someone challenges what I've written (which you do regularly). Then only do I go into more details.

You then turn around and tell me take my philosophy elsewhere...... like an entitlement minded little brat, who relies on the State for his conclusions and judgement of people.

 

[lexity]

Besides you having a rather silly and extreme opinion here, how did it relate to that specific post you quoted?

He who makes the claim should be prepared to back it up.

You made the claim that what I said is "silly".

Can you back that up?

I can't answer your question without questioning its premise.

p.s. I agree that it's extreme, but that's just relative since I consider ongoing ignorance of the facts pretty extreme, too.