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[Brian_G]

Hopefully Phil van Winkel will have woken up by then. Doing nothing can become exhausting at times.

I think he heard you

PRESS RELEASE: RP Says City’s Informal Settlement Deal Will Fuel More Land Invasions | RP News

The Referendum Party warns that Cape Town is sliding into a two-tier system: compliant residents are buried under planning rules and endless approvals, while others can erect illegal structures with impunity - and in many cases are effectively rewarded for breaking the law.

www.referendumparty.org

 

[NoStepOnSnek88]

Read my question properly, and stop derailing with your impotent threats.

If you don't agree or like the poll then just don't interact with it... the same goes for topics / threads you disagree or dislike don't interact with them... easy peasy lemon squeezy

 

[Splinter]

If you don't agree or like the poll then just don't interact with it... the same goes for topics / threads you disagree or dislike don't interact with them... easy peasy lemon squeezy

By that logic, you would not interact with my post. Not so eazy peazy then....

And I actually do want to interact with the poll, and have, but I only could click "disagree with all questions".

When in fact I also wanted to tick the Federal-state (Canon) type governance, but didn't due to the inherent contradiction.

 

[NoStepOnSnek88]

By that logic, you would not interact with my post. Not so eazy peazy then....

And I actually do want to interact with the poll, and have, but I only could click "disagree with all questions".

When in fact I also wanted to tick the Federal-state (Canon) type governance, but didn't due to the inherent contradiction.

But you could have just ticked that option and clicked "cast vote" but anyways...

You're making a big deal out of nothing, or just being argumentative intentionally...

 

[Splinter]

But you could have just ticked that option and clicked "cast vote" but anyways...

You're making a big deal out of nothing, or just being argumentative intentionally...

In your opinion. My opinion is as stated.

You can stop arguing about this, if you are so against intentionally being argumentative.

 

[quovadis]

I think he heard you

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PRESS RELEASE: RP Says City’s Informal Settlement Deal Will Fuel More Land Invasions | RP News

The Referendum Party warns that Cape Town is sliding into a two-tier system: compliant residents are buried under planning rules and endless approvals, while others can erect illegal structures with impunity - and in many cases are effectively rewarded for breaking the law.

www.referendumparty.org

Where's their "Western Cape Illegal Settlements Bill"? The only page that says "You can read a copy of the Bill here" doesn't have a link...

Hyperlink - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Grant]

Can you not specify in the poll itself then that folks must only answer one of the questions? Would make the results cleaner, I reckon.

no

there is no latitude within the poll template to explain anything

 

[Brian_G]

Perhaps you don't know what you are a part of, here. This is the battle of ideas.

Quoting you before detailing the latest press release as I'm in complete agreement with that point, main purpose of this thread is to do just that.

But it isn't then a soap box for slightly related and too-deep (for most) discourse, done even when nobody is replying for days. I think that is what was reacted to, what was initially removed was done so with just such comments - and those warnings (in effect) were ignored.
I don't care to go here again, but think it fit to suggest considering that (since it's your topic elsewhere again), before returning here.

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OP-ED: You Will Never Vote Yourself Out of the NDR

The ANC's National Democratic Revolution (NDR) has left South African communities impotent, intentionally depriving them of the ability to make decisions for themselves. Self-determination is the only antidote.

www.capeindependence.org

 

[Cray]

Quoting you before detailing the latest press release as I'm in complete agreement with that point, main purpose of this thread is to do just that.

But it isn't then a soap box for slightly related and too-deep (for most) discourse, done even when nobody is replying for days. I think that is what was reacted to, what was initially removed was done so with just such comments - and those warnings (in effect) were ignored.
I don't care to go here again, but think it fit to suggest considering that (since it's your topic elsewhere again), before returning here.

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Latest from Phil & co.


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OP-ED: You Will Never Vote Yourself Out of the NDR

The ANC's National Democratic Revolution (NDR) has left South African communities impotent, intentionally depriving them of the ability to make decisions for themselves. Self-determination is the only antidote.

www.capeindependence.org

Traditional tribal authorities have had their power usurped by the Department of Co-operative Governance and gender quotas imposed upon them against their will.

I wonder if the women in those communities are are equally upset that the they are no longer ruled exclusively by unelected men?

 

[Brian_G]

I wonder if the women in those communities are are equally upset that the they are no longer ruled exclusively by unelected men?

I'm still reading the article.. but perhaps you're forgetting that replacing a poor system of governance with another one that's also too abusive is never justified.

 

[Cray]

I'm still reading the article.. but perhaps you're forgetting that replacing a poor system of governance with another one that's also too abusive is never justified.

Replacing tribal governance with one that is democratic seems a lot better in my book. And the way he said it, it sounds like he thinks the tribal ways were removed against the wishes of the people who lived under them.

 

[Brian_G]

Replacing tribal governance with one that is democratic seems a lot better in my book.

Democratic?
Not sure that's the word I would ever use to describe the NDR (or we could refer to it with the more popular RET label) , but I suppose we have to agree there's democratic factors involved too.

And the way he said it, it sounds like he thinks the tribal ways were removed against the wishes of the people who lived under them.

Not sure any of us can comment on that with certainty, we aren't part of that community. Even the women in such community may think their tribal leaders' behaviors are / were normal, it's all relative really.
But abuse as we are able to see it is still abuse.

Later..

 

[Brian_G]

I'm not going to play the part of some sort of CIM policy representative, just posting news when spotted and at times some personal comment.


The article mostly details how well self-determination is actually already covered in our legal situation in SA, a good read and no doubt checked thoroughly by the legal people involved.
But before that he explains why our situation is otherwise seen as mostly hopeless.


Here's much of the concluding section, to focus on where his arguments are heading (summarises thoughts on Federalism, personal choice of involvements, believed ease of secession if chosen).

...There is no scenario in which South Africa votes itself into a genuinely federal dispensation, and calls time on the unitary state and the other crippling vestiges of the NDR.

Asserting self-determination does not prevent communities from continuing to contribute to the national discourse should they so wish, or even wielding power at a national level if they can achieve the necessary votes.

Critically, what it offers is the ability to take the actions necessary to solve South Africa’s problems in those communities which wish to do so, and a potentially invaluable exit clause should things take a dramatic turn for the worse under a future ‘Doomsday coalition’.

Pertinently, claiming self-determination in South Africa does not require some grand act, or the achievement of some impossible threshold. It requires the community concerned to notify the national government of their wishes, upon receipt of which, the government is mandated to negotiate in good faith with the international community standing guarantor. Many commentators have falsely asserted that section 235 requires parliament to agree to self-determination. The Constitutional Court has already ruled differently.

It is time for those who genuinely want to change South Africa for the better, and who know what needs to be done in the communities where they hold a mandate to act, to recognise that without agency, they are doomed to failure.
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[Grant]

hmmm
rather quiet and civilised in here !

 

[vigras rojara]

hmmm
rather quiet and civilised in here !

Let's see what we can do about that.

 

[vigras rojara]

Quoting you before detailing the latest press release as I'm in complete agreement with that point, main purpose of this thread is to do just that.

But it isn't then a soap box for slightly related and too-deep (for most) discourse, done even when nobody is replying for days. I think that is what was reacted to, what was initially removed was done so with just such comments - and those warnings (in effect) were ignored.
I don't care to go here again, but think it fit to suggest considering that (since it's your topic elsewhere again), before returning here.

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OP-ED: You Will Never Vote Yourself Out of the NDR

The ANC's National Democratic Revolution (NDR) has left South African communities impotent, intentionally depriving them of the ability to make decisions for themselves. Self-determination is the only antidote.

www.capeindependence.org

What a load of waffle from Phil, as usual. What is it with CI types and their love of waffles?

Do we blame Milky Lane?

 

[Brian_G]

What a load of waffle from Phil, as usual. What is it with CI types and their love of waffles?

Do we blame Milky Lane?

To think I believed you were an intellectual... oh well :-/

 

[Brian_G]

Article included a very troubling concept of where we are heading in SA - scary stuff if it's accurate,

Here's a taste

The ANC has been extraordinarily successful in structuring South Africa to ensure the success of the NDR, even if the ANC itself now appears to be increasingly weakened.

The saying goes that the Devil’s greatest trick was to convince the world that he didn’t exist. The ‘demise’ of the ANC will do nothing to derail the structural legacy of their NDR, notwithstanding that African nationalists achieved a greater share of the vote in 2024 than they did in 1994.

The greatest political taboo afflicting South Africa today is the unwillingness to confront, despite overwhelming evidence, the reality that South African communities cannot vote themselves out of their constitutionally mandated impotence. This, even if they unanimously agree on their preferred course of action. They have been systematically and intentionally deprived of agency.

 

[quovadis]

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7459697478493932818

 

[Brian_G]

PRESS RELEASE: RP Condemns Government’s Instructed Use Of The 1950 Population Registration Act | RP News

The Department of Employment and Labour has instructed employers to use the repealed 1950 Population Registration Act to classify employees by race.

www.referendumparty.org