CapeXit 2

[vigras rojara]

Legal structure has many options

Like it / don't like it.... makes no difference.

Yeah, I'm just not fond of hypocrites and he is a prime example.

I wonder when he'll inform the masses (all 0.25% of them) about the results of his Washington holiday they kindly funded.

 

[vigras rojara]

As we all know, practically speaking he actually is. Not his fault the govt. are too dof to scratch their own backside (same govt. you're effectively supporting in this thread BTW....).

Is he a citizen?

Nope. Perhaps you could let ICE know that you disagree with some of their deportations because the deportees are practically citizens too, lol.

Not sure why you think I'm supporting the government. If someone told me that the cure for the common cold is eating dog poo and I told them to F off, that doesn't mean I like having a cold.

 

[Brian_G]

Is he a citizen?

Nope.

You're making an administrative technical failure your bread and butter argument here?

It's a pointless argument.

 

[vigras rojara]

You're making an administrative technical failure your bread and butter argument here?

It's a pointless argument.

Do you have evidence to back this up? What claim to citizenship does Herr Cockwomble have anyway?

Genuine question, I can't remember how he ended up in SA in the first place, so he may have.

 

[Brian_G]

Do you have evidence to back this up? What claim to citizenship does Herr Cockwomble have anyway?

Genuine question, I can't remember how he ended up in SA in the first place, so he may have.

Surprised you haven't come across it - he's just one of many who haven't been sorted out properly re citizenship for long term permanent residents.

Details are in at least one of his videos. Maybe a search too.

Herr Cockwomble

I know you don't respect him, but a nazi?? That's ugly dude.

 

[Brian_G]

AI Overview


The issue with Phil Craig's South African citizenship status and the broader matter of citizenship for long-term permanent residents is a complex, ongoing situation involving
bureaucratic delays, political controversy, and legal scrutiny.


Phil Craig's Specific Case

Phil Craig, a British national and leader of the Cape Independence Advocacy Group (CIAG) and the Referendum Party, has been a permanent resident in South Africa for over 20 years and has had a pending application for naturalization for years. His situation has not been "sorted out properly" due to:

• Political Opposition: His advocacy for the Western Cape's secession has led to significant political backlash. Opposition parties, such as ActionSA and the EFF, argue that his campaign to "dismantle the country" demonstrates a lack of "good character" and an intention not to "respect and protect the physical integrity" of the country, which are grounds for rejecting a citizenship application or revoking permanent residency. They have formally requested the Minister of Home Affairs to reject his citizenship application and deport him.
• Legal Uncertainty: A parliamentary committee on Home Affairs sought a legal opinion on whether Craig's permanent residency could be revoked. The opinion stated that while the power to revoke the permit rests with the director-general, evidence would be required to prove he breached the Immigration Act. The Minister of Home Affairs has indicated he will not withdraw Craig's status simply due to political views, as freedom of expression is a constitutional right, but the matter remains under scrutiny and is not definitively resolved.
• Bureaucratic Delays: Like many others, Craig's citizenship application has faced lengthy processing times, which is a common problem within the Department of Home Affairs (DHA). These delays are often attributed to slow verification processes, a lack of national service standards for turnaround times, and general administrative inefficiency, which some speculate might be a form of political stalling.

Broader Issues for Long-Term Permanent Residents

The difficulties faced by Phil Craig highlight systemic issues affecting many long-term permanent residents seeking citizenship in South Africa:

• Opaque and Slow Processes: The process for naturalization can take years due to administrative backlogs, lost files, and a lack of transparency in the DHA's processing times.
• Discretionary Power: The South African Citizenship Act grants the Minister of Home Affairs wide discretionary powers to grant or refuse naturalization applications, even if an applicant meets the basic criteria (like five years of permanent residence). This can lead to subjective decisions and makes the process unpredictable.
• Policy Shifts: Proposed changes to the Citizenship Act, such as a draft white paper suggesting a points-based system and stricter criteria for granting citizenship, create uncertainty for applicants waiting in the current system.
• Lack of Political Rights: Permanent residents cannot vote or hold a South African passport, which limits their ability to fully participate in the country's political process and advocate for their rights.

In essence, a combination of an overburdened bureaucracy, the subjective nature of "good character" requirements in the law, and the politically contentious nature of his specific case means Phil Craig's citizenship application has been mired in an ongoing state of "liminality" (being in between statuses) for years.

 

[vigras rojara]

Surprised you haven't come across it - he's just one of many who haven't been sorted out properly re citizenship for long term permanent residents.

Details are in at least one of his videos. Maybe a search too.




I know you don't respect him, but a nazi?? That's ugly dude.

Nah, I was hoping you'd know. I'm not going to spend Christmas Eve watching Phil videos, lol.

These days even blatant Nazi salutes are apparently totally not Nazi salutes.

People in Germany use the term "Herr" on the daily, so to associate its use with Nazism is completely absurd.

 

[Brian_G]

Nah, I was hoping you'd know.

Just posted the Google AI info ^^

 

[vigras rojara]

Just posted the Google AI info ^^

Thanks.

 

[quovadis]

Surprised you haven't come across it - he's just one of many who haven't been sorted out properly re citizenship for long term permanent residents.

Imagine demanding citizenship of a country you're actively seeking to secede from.

 

[vigras rojara]

Imagine demanding citizenship of a country you're actively seeking to secede from.

Yeah, that is rather strange.

 

[quovadis]

Yeah, that is rather strange.

Fortunately it's not the US or he'd land up "on holiday" in El Salvador.

 

[vigras rojara]

Fortunately it's not the US or he'd land up "on holiday" in El Salvador.

Terrible things are happening over there. A refugee programme for persecuted Americans may be required.

 

[Brian_G]

Imagine demanding citizenship of a country you're actively seeking to secede from.

Certainly appears odd, but he's always loved this country and started applying for citizenship way before he actively wanted to secede.


I'm sure he wouldn't disagree with me saying he wants to secede from the RET faction, not the country itself or its people on the whole.
He was even pro-DA before they started showing their true colours.

Personally I like him as a personality, and he means well, but so far not much more able than those who came before him..

 

[Brian_G]

@lexity , if you disagree with any of this ^^ send me a DM please.

 

[vigras rojara]

Certainly appears odd, but he's always loved this country and started applying for citizenship way before he actively wanted to secede.


I'm sure he wouldn't disagree with me saying he wants to secede from the RET faction, not the country itself or its people on the whole.
He was even pro-DA before they started showing their true colours.

Personally I like him as a personality, and he means well, but so far not much more able than those who came before him..

Let's face it though - I mean I know I'm always banging on about it, but his Washington trip was a total and utter grift.

Just jumping on the "Daddy Trump will help us" bandwagon like the other a**holes, with no chance of actually achieving anything.

So I question his good faith.

 

[quovadis]

Certainly appears odd, but he's always loved this country and started applying for citizenship way before he actively wanted to secede.


I'm sure he wouldn't disagree with me saying he wants to secede from the RET faction, not the country itself or its people on the whole.
He was even pro-DA before they started showing their true colours.

Personally I like him as a personality, and he means well, but so far not much more able than those who came before him..

Hmmm. I doubt the timing is relevant? I applied before therefore... Pffft.

Most would consider taking an oath and/or solemn affirmation to a country and then actively trying to undermine it as a willful breach of the sworn oath and a repudiation of the attendant legal duties of loyalty and fidelity.

 

[Brian_G]

Let's face it though - I mean I know I'm always banging on about it, but his Washington trip was a total and utter grift.

Just jumping on the "Daddy Trump will help us" bandwagon like the other a**holes, with no chance of actually achieving anything.

So I question his good faith.

He's short of bargaining power, even "his own voters" didn't carry through, so one of his better moves IMO. Would have done similar myself.

And it shone an international spotlight on the matter.

 

[Brian_G]

Hmmm. I doubt the timing is relevant? I applied before therefore... Pffft.

Just my thoughts, I can't speak for him of course.

Most would consider taking an oath and/or solemn affirmation to a country and then actively trying to undermine it as a willful breach of the sworn oath and a repudiation of the attendant legal duties of loyalty and fidelity.

I consider the country hijacked by totally disloyal criminals, don't you?

 

[quovadis]

@lexity , if you disagree with any of this ^^ send me a DM please.

Acquiring citizenship as a pretext to undermine the country is, on libertarian terms, fraudulent and rights-violating. It is an abuse of voluntary entry, violates good-faith consent and crosses into aggression.