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You know it's near impossible to get rid of the whole RET setup.
Nice side angle ;- )
quovadis
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If it were impossible we wouldn't be seeing changes in voting patterns over the years.
It's not an angle. You're not supposed to pick and choose if you believe in this stuff
vigras rojara
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It did? Most WC residents don't give two sh1ts about secession, what international spotlight has been shone on it? He won't even say who he had meetings with, apart from a shop assistant at Macy's of course...
Bottom line is that the support for the RET combination hasn't lessened.
Funny, Phil did a recent article on it.
...It's not an angle. You're not supposed to pick and choose if you believe in this stuff
Just your opinion.
Not gonna spend the day debating with a lawyer snake type though
Again... BS, but keep telling yourself that ;- )
WollieVerstege
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Any good prize has a great cost. But remember there's also been a number of successful secessions. It depends on reasonable planing, and IMHO, rather going the legal route.
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Phil has a mandate from 0.25% of the WC electorate. In other words most WC voters are not interested in his grift.
I'd be keen to hear more about the "international spotlight" cast on Cape secession on the back of his DC jolly, though.
quovadis
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So, democracy bad? You’re going with that?
What’s to debate? How would any other country in the world treat such….
Epilogue (so as not to disappoint my "bye-behaviour" fans) :
Would be nice if one of you came up with an alternative plan to save what we can of SA, yes?
Scary or not, this is our best potential hope. Maybe worth trying to take it beyond potential then...
quovadis
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How about starting with getting rid of the “we”, “them”, “our”, “their” and try start winning hearts and minds and votes?
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That would involve having a cogent plan and actually doing stuff. The sort of things that the CI movement is incapable of.
WollieVerstege
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Can you please list these successful secessions? Last one I can find is South Sudan, and that was off the back of a bloody civil war.
So that we can compare their path to independence to what the Cape will be going through.
Done so before, guys here want to pull it apart based on their concept of technicalities.
I'm not claiming it would be peaceful, but we can get close to that.
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The only example listed on the Referendum Party's own website is the Venetian attempt. Which didn't happen.
So if that's the best example they themselves can come up with......
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Against my better judgement, here's some combined and balanced(?) AI on the subject...
Have a nice Xmas everyone.
In the last 50 years, few secessionist movements have achieved full international recognition. While hundreds of active movements exist, scholars typically identify only a handful of "pure" successful secessions from sovereign states alongside the major geopolitical fragmentation of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia
.
Notable Successful Secessions
South Sudan
Country in East Africa
South Sudan
(2011): Seceded from Sudan following a decades-long civil war and a 2005 peace agreement that led to a 2011 referendum. It is the world’s youngest sovereign nation.
Timor-Leste
Country in Asia
Timor-Leste
(2002): Formerly East Timor, it achieved independence from Indonesia after a 24-year occupation and a UN-sponsored referendum in 1999.
Eritrea
Country in East Africa
Eritrea
(1993): Seceded from Ethiopia after a 30-year armed struggle and a subsequent referendum in 1993, gaining full UN recognition.
Montenegro and Serbia (peaceful separation in 2006)
The Former Soviet Republics
The collapse of the USSR led to the secession of 14 independent states—including Ukraine, Georgia, and the Baltic nations—from the Soviet central government.
The Former Yugoslav Republics
Starting in 1991, Slovenia, Croatia,
Macedonia
, and
Bosnia-Herzegovina
seceded from Yugoslavia.
Montenegro
later followed in 2006, and Kosovo declared independence in 2008 (though it lacks universal recognition).
Bangladesh
Country in South Asia
Bangladesh
(1971/72): Though slightly outside the 50-year mark, it is often cited as the first successful non-colonial secession of the modern era, breaking away from Pakistan with military assistance from India.
Disputed or Partially Successful Cases
In the last 50 years, several regions have achieved
de facto secession, maintaining effective self-governance despite lacking broad international recognition.
Somaliland
has operated as a stable democracy independent of
Somalia
since 1991, though it remains unrecognized by any UN member. In the post-Soviet space,
Transnistria
(since 1990),
Abkhazia
(since 1999), and
South Ossetia
(since 1991) maintain their own governments, militaries, and currencies with varying degrees of limited recognition, primarily from Russia. Other notable cases include the
Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus
, recognized only by Turkey since 1983, and the
Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic
(Western Sahara), which is recognized by the African Union and dozens of states but lacks control over much of its claimed territory. These entities are often described as "frozen conflicts" where the seceding state functions effectively even without a seat at the United Nations.
Have a nice Xmas everyone.
In the last 50 years, few secessionist movements have achieved full international recognition. While hundreds of active movements exist, scholars typically identify only a handful of "pure" successful secessions from sovereign states alongside the major geopolitical fragmentation of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia
.
Notable Successful Secessions
South Sudan
Country in East Africa
South Sudan
(2011): Seceded from Sudan following a decades-long civil war and a 2005 peace agreement that led to a 2011 referendum. It is the world’s youngest sovereign nation.
Timor-Leste
Country in Asia
Timor-Leste
(2002): Formerly East Timor, it achieved independence from Indonesia after a 24-year occupation and a UN-sponsored referendum in 1999.
Eritrea
Country in East Africa
Eritrea
(1993): Seceded from Ethiopia after a 30-year armed struggle and a subsequent referendum in 1993, gaining full UN recognition.
Montenegro and Serbia (peaceful separation in 2006)
The Former Soviet Republics
The collapse of the USSR led to the secession of 14 independent states—including Ukraine, Georgia, and the Baltic nations—from the Soviet central government.
The Former Yugoslav Republics
Starting in 1991, Slovenia, Croatia,
Macedonia
, and
Bosnia-Herzegovina
seceded from Yugoslavia.
Montenegro
later followed in 2006, and Kosovo declared independence in 2008 (though it lacks universal recognition).
Bangladesh
Country in South Asia
Bangladesh
(1971/72): Though slightly outside the 50-year mark, it is often cited as the first successful non-colonial secession of the modern era, breaking away from Pakistan with military assistance from India.
Disputed or Partially Successful Cases
- Kosovo
(2008): Declared independence from Serbia with support from many Western nations, though it is not yet a member of the UN due to lack of recognition from several major powers. - Somaliland
(1991): Operates as a stable, de facto independent state after seceding from Somalia but lacks formal international recognition.
- Successful Secessionist Movements and the Uncertainty of
have remained unchanged from 1640 until now. Although Catalonia is just one example, there are currently hundreds of these movemen...
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- Chapter 7: Successful recent secessions in - Edward Elgar online
30 Aug 2018 — Chapter 7: Successful recent secessions in: Secession in International Law. ... This chapter analyzes cases of recent s...
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- American Secessionist Movements: Overview | Research Starters
Secession can be peaceful or violent, as the break-up of Yugoslavia demonstrated: Slovenia and Macedonia seceded relatively peacef...
EBSCO
In the last 50 years, several regions have achieved
de facto secession, maintaining effective self-governance despite lacking broad international recognition.
Somaliland
has operated as a stable democracy independent of
Somalia
since 1991, though it remains unrecognized by any UN member. In the post-Soviet space,
Transnistria
(since 1990),
Abkhazia
(since 1999), and
South Ossetia
(since 1991) maintain their own governments, militaries, and currencies with varying degrees of limited recognition, primarily from Russia. Other notable cases include the
Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus
, recognized only by Turkey since 1983, and the
Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic
(Western Sahara), which is recognized by the African Union and dozens of states but lacks control over much of its claimed territory. These entities are often described as "frozen conflicts" where the seceding state functions effectively even without a seat at the United Nations.
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