CapeXit 2

[Brian_G]

Lex, if you were a zillionaire, would you fully financially back Phil's current "plan"?

 

[ToxicBunny]

What's her race got to do with anything?

One doth protest too much......

Its the way your post is submitted lexy...

I don't protest, I'm just giving you a heads up that it comes across as racist. Do with that info as you will.
You are fully aware of my opinion of you on this topic.

 

[vigras rojara]

Lex, if you were a zillionaire, would you fully financially back Phil's current "plan"?

Difficult to back something financially when there isn't even a concept of a budget.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Difficult to back something financially when there isn't even a concept of a budget.

I'd even hazard a guess that if Lord Lexy was a legit zillionaire he would have a very different outlook on life and everything.

**EDIT**
I actually think he'd act exactly like all the tech-bros he currently despises.

 

[Brian_G]

That said, if there's even the slightest hint of new-country structure developing, especially that with some reasonable sense, I'll be back on the support train

 

[Grant]

always interesting to revisit old discussions.
from 2022:

PANEL MEMBERS•
Phil Craig | Cape Independence Advocacy Group• Benedicta Van Minnen | Democratic Alliance•
Dr Corne Mulder | Freedomfront Plus• Vytjie Mentor | ActionSA• Ebrahim Rasool | ANC

for me the most important part of this discussion is the legal aspect. from: 24:30 onward.

unless there has been a recent change, the premier does not have the authority to call a referendum.
the result of a w/c referendum is not binding on national govt
even were a referendum binding, secession would require a 2/3 support in national assembly.
6/9 provinces in NCOP must support secession.

 

[Brian_G]

for me the most important part of this discussion is the legal aspect. from: 24:30 onward.

unless there has been a recent change, the premier does not have the authority to call a referendum.

From ChatGPT (previous page) ;

Under the South African system:

• A referendum must be called by the President or a provincial premier.

Presume it got its facts from somewhere valid.
OR... another AI hallucination maybe?

 

[ToxicBunny]

for me the most important part of this discussion is the legal aspect. from: 24:30 onward.

unless there has been a recent change, the premier does not have the authority to call a referendum.
the result of a w/c referendum is not binding on national govt
even were a referendum binding, secession would require a 2/3 support in national assembly.
6/9 provinces in NCOP must support secession.

I think the premier can call a referendum, but its not legally binding at all... and yes a change would require 2/3rds at the National level anyway so a provincial referendum is a waste of time and money anyway.

 

[Brian_G]

and yes a change would require 2/3rds at the National level anyway

Nope.
Sure, it's the preferred route, but usually it's a march forward and taking the keys to freedom anyway.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Nope.
Sure, it's the preferred route, but usually it's a march forward and taking the keys to freedom anyway.

Yes it would Brian, it involves rewriting a fundamental part of the SA constitution.... Maybe it only requires 50%+1 but from my reading its one of the core parts so is in the 2/3rds portion, but thankfully for the independence movement isn't in the 75% section.

The only other avenue is armed conflict in reality.

 

[vigras rojara]

Nope.
Sure, it's the preferred route, but usually it's a march forward and taking the keys to freedom anyway.

Viva!

 

[Brian_G]

Viva!

I prefer "let's go, chaps!"

 

[Splinter]

I suspect that once the discussion is opened up, through the announcement of a referendum on CI.... the numbers in support of independence will go through the roof.

The penny has yet to drop. for the other half of WC voters.

Your suspicion is as valid as Trumps "tan".

 

[Brian_G]

Your suspicion is as valid as Trumps "tan".

Trump's "tan" is what got him the infamous Orange Man label, so yes, valid indeed

Of course things will accelerate in the direction of the polls in public debate. (In this case once a few respected peeps stand up first, there's still some embarrassment about the election.)

 

[Splinter]

Trump's "tan" is what got him the infamous Orange Man label, so yes, valid indeed

Of course things will accelerate in the direction of the polls in public debate. (In this case once a few respected peeps stand up first, there's still some embarrassment about the election.)

Ag man, stop spouting BS in your support/desire for Lexie. You know damn well there is extremely little interest in a referendum, much less a seccession.

It's not pie in the sky hallucinations from yourselves, it's flying turds in the sky.

 

[lexity]

Pre-requisites to a civilized society....

Only political unions consisting of opt-in members, are legitimate.

Forcing people together is no different, in principle, to forcing them apart. In each case, you have a violation of the right to FoA.

Once you have a split in overt commitment to these core values, in order to preserve any remaining civilization, a separation needs to occur. The sooner it occurs, the less chance there is of the primitives acting on their primitive instincts/urges.

Only the primitive-minded don't respect the above, as the starting point for a civilized society.

To say, 'you need permission to leave a voluntary union,' is an oxymoron.

Decide: do you live under compelled association, like slaves, or do you live in a voluntary union where - for better or worse - you are free to leave at any time, all explicitly agreed-to obligations settled.

 

[NoStepOnSnek88]

I prefer "let's go, chaps!"

Not MWCGA ?

 

[lexity]

To say you need 2 3rds approval, is the primitive's attempt to by-pass the very same right that was required into order to form a political union in the first place.

 

[lexity]

The laws should be a mirror reflection/codification of a morally distinct population.

As soon as you have more than a single moral code, you ipso facto have more than a single nation.

Every nation needs accurate borders.

Which is precisely why we have independence referenda..... to ensure borders accurately reflect the territory in which those morals are protected by law.

Forcing your rule-set onto the unwilling is barbaric.

 

[lexity]

Its the way your post is submitted lexy...

I don't protest, I'm just giving you a heads up that it comes across as racist. Do with that info as you will.

You say it comes across as racist, but can't point to anything that has anything to do with race.

Clearly, you are seeing something which is relevant to race.... well, tell us, then... what do see?

Be specific.

You think that because it is a black person, in this case, with the Commie agenda, that that makes all black people Commies.

Who's the racist, here?