CapeXit 2

[lexity]

Oxymoron-type condition with the BoR - how to change what turns out to be fundamentally flawed (or perhaps outdated), when changing such a firm set of rules would require this ruling and cooperative "supermajority" to agree, even though the change (no doubt wanted by minorities) would likely go against them?

Secede.

 

[vigras rojara]

Second part, any ideas, speculations etc which well known, wealthy, celebrities, famous, influential etc individuals are PRO Cape Independence movement?

i.e perhaps a person like Rob Hersov as example

You have just identified the problem.

No-one of any influence thinks it's a good idea.

 

[NoStepOnSnek88]

Thanks, was just using Elon Musk as an example because of his wealth and place of birth... (which I'm still convinced isn't planet earth )

Second part, any ideas, speculations etc which well known, wealthy, celebrities, famous, influential etc individuals are PRO Cape Independence movement?

i.e perhaps a person like Rob Hersov as example

Or should I say, PRO secession?

 

[NoStepOnSnek88]

You have just identified the problem.

No-one of any influence thinks it's a good idea.

Just curious...
I know you're being sarcastic, but surely that cannot be true ?
What about on a international level then ?

 

[vigras rojara]

Just curious...
I know you're being sarcastic, but surely that cannot be true ?
What about on a international level then ?

I was only being slightly sarcastic, lol.

I've often said they need some prominent business leader on-side, but there are no takers...

 

[Brian_G]

Or should I say, PRO secession?

Methinks they're still a tad shy, it's a huge commitment of the family name.

Don't expect Vigras to give you anything positive here, he's in anti-secession mode again today. Must be a Libran or something..

 

[lexity]

Thanks, was just using Elon Musk as an example because of his wealth and place of birth... (which I'm still convinced isn't planet earth )

Second part, any ideas, speculations etc which well known, wealthy, celebrities, famous, influential etc individuals are PRO Cape Independence movement?

Most of that crowd live in a legacy media bubble.

The owners - who pay the salaries of content producers/editors - of that legacy media, oppose open debate on their communication channels.

Outside of SA, there is a degree of healthy skeptism, in the form of long-form, bottom-up, open discussion i.e. popular podcasts, which draw listeners/viewers in by the tens of millions every day.

SAn celebrities don't live and conduct themselves in an environment in which this widespread expectation exists. SAns are a bit cuckish in this respect. They don't have a resilient enough culture of disrespect for the political class..

So, the question remains ...

"At what point are things stark enough for them, personally, to look further afield for an objective comparative analysis of the real levers of control?"

In a sense all celebrities are in a bit of a bubble.... and there's an element of having to bite the hand that feeds you, which makes them tardy, in speaking out.

 

[vigras rojara]

Methinks they're still a tad shy, it's a huge commitment of the family name.

Don't expect Vigras to give you anything positive here, he's in anti-secession mode again today. Must be a Libran or something..

Still waiting for you to quote my pro-secession posts.

But seeing as you're in a positive mood, perhaps you can list the business leaders who support CI? Shouldn't be too difficult, what with the promised "tidal wave of investment" that we've heard about.

 

[Splinter]

Methinks they're still a tad shy, it's a huge commitment of the family name.

Don't expect Vigras to give you anything positive here, he's in anti-secession mode again today. Must be a Libran or something..

Shy? No, "they" are not delusional is the thing.

Plus, "they" are not intellectually dishonest because "they" are pining for someone...

 

[NoStepOnSnek88]

I was only being slightly sarcastic, lol.

I've often said they need some prominent business leader on-side, but there are no takers...

I've asked CHATGPT to see what it spits out just out of interest sake...

Bottom line

Publicly identifiable pro-independence figures mainly include:

Phil Craig

Robert King

Joan Swart

Jack Miller and other activists tied to CIAG / CIP

But no A-list celebrities, major billionaires, or globally famous South Africans openly support Cape Independence.

If you want, I can also show you something interesting:
There are a few well-known commentators and economists who support greater Western Cape autonomy (not full independence). Some of them are fairly influential in SA media — that’s actually where the debate gets more interesting.

 

[Splinter]

Still waiting for you to quote my pro-secession posts.

But seeing as you're in a positive mood, perhaps you can list the business leaders who support CI? Shouldn't be too difficult, what with the promised "tidal wave of investment" that we've heard about.

It's so easy to mock these delusionists, isn't it

 

[vigras rojara]

It's so easy to mock these delusionists, isn't it

Indeed it is.

 

[Brian_G]

Still waiting for you to quote my pro-secession posts.

But seeing as you're in a positive mood, perhaps you can list the business leaders who support CI? Shouldn't be too difficult, what with the promised "tidal wave of investment" that we've heard about.

If you read my posts you'd know I don't know, not following the CIM that closely.

As for your anti/pro-secession moods, anyone regular knows ;- )

 

[vigras rojara]

I've asked CHATGPT to see what it spits out just out of interest sake...

Bottom line

Publicly identifiable pro-independence figures mainly include:

Phil Craig

Robert King

Joan Swart

Jack Miller and other activists tied to CIAG / CIP

But no A-list celebrities, major billionaires, or globally famous South Africans openly support Cape Independence.

If you want, I can also show you something interesting:
There are a few well-known commentators and economists who support greater Western Cape autonomy (not full independence). Some of them are fairly influential in SA media — that’s actually where the debate gets more interesting.

Well there you have it. Has anyone heard of this "Joan King"?

Perhaps she's Joan of Arc, back to assist with CI endeavours.

 

[NoStepOnSnek88]

Methinks they're still a tad shy, it's a huge commitment of the family name.

Don't expect Vigras to give you anything positive here, he's in anti-secession mode again today. Must be a Libran or something..

Me thinks it's because France will beat England later tonight, and be crowned the Six Nations Champs

 

[Brian_G]

@NoStepOnSnek88 , main reason for lack of financial backing I would imagine is in here;

Somewhat hijacked for sure, but wouldn't call it badly so - not much mention of the idea in the press at least.

The real issue as to why it has lost footing again would seem to be the lack of a structured plan for post independence, ridiculous oversight by Phil & co.
That and the fact that WC-ians aren't actually facing any emergency.... yet

And add to that a likely differing set of values / goals between the potential contributors as well...

 

[lexity]

Thanks, was just using Elon Musk as an example because of his wealth and place of birth... (which I'm still convinced isn't planet earth )

Second part, any ideas, speculations etc which well known, wealthy, celebrities, famous, influential etc individuals are PRO Cape Independence movement?

i.e perhaps a person like Rob Hersov as example

A parasitic class, that funds all sides, has already funded the CIM, and monitors the movement, to ensure they are ready to co-opt any future success.

 

[vigras rojara]

If you read my posts you'd know I don't know, not following the CIM that closely.

As for your anti/pro-secession moods, anyone regular knows ;- )

The only comments that could ever have been construed as pro-secession, would have been along the lines of me pointing out that nobody actually bothers to come up with a cogent plan that could stand on its merits.

That doesn't in any way presume that if they did I'd support it anyway, it just points out that even such a fundamental thing hasn't been done.

 

[NoStepOnSnek88]

It's so easy to mock these delusionists, isn't it

@Splinter so where exactly do you then stand wrt Cape Independence?

Meaning, if you're "anti" / against it, what's your reasons as to why you are against the movement/ Independence/ referendum ?

Hypothetically, if tomorrow everyone in South Africa had the opportunity to vote 🗳 YAY or NAY for Cape Independence, what would your vote be and why ?

 

[lexity]

entitlement-minded brats: If the CIM had their **** together they would get the support needed from wealthy business owners.

#the-irony

Wealthy businessmen, are interested in keeping smaller competitors - disruptors of effective cartelized sectors - out of their sectors.

They rely on an effective mechanism, which parades as "consumer protector supreme," to achieve and sustain this effect.

Secession is a disruptor, of this cartelizing effect, achieved through this mechanism.

This business class, themselves, know this far better than their knuckle-dragging, cucked, pinko, interference-runners, on this thread.