CapeXit 2

[lexity]

Pinko's and commies tend to poo-poo the notion that the State would ever form an alliance with big business to fleece the consumer.

Hence, the notion that altering the government of the WC people, via secession, would '[never have any adverse/disruptive effects on existing market dominators]'.

Polly-Anna on stilts, I tell you.

General question: who is this, being quoted:

When our report comes out, it is going to be ammunition in your hands. It is desirable, therefore, to maintain in the meantime a position which does not intimate an immediate connection between our two efforts.

~ ?

p.s. Feel free to give your favorite ai engine a work-out, in finding the answer.

 

[Cray]

See previous comment on private vs State accreditation.

p.s. The underlying condition is that there is no aggression, or threats of aggression, used in vetting suitable operators in the space and licensing them.

What has anyone of that got to do with you thinking you dont need to follow the rules you agreed to...?

You raise deflection to an art form

 

[Cray]

Pinko's and commies tend to poo-poo the notion that the State would ever form an alliance with big business to fleece the consumer.

So you think that big businesses would never ally with each other to fleece the consumer in a free market?

 

[konfab]

There was a good article by Martin Van Staden in the prism magazine on the Cape Independent about what is wrong with the movement:

Two quotes in particular:

Why is it that a movement nearly two decades old had to wait for a relatively new addition to their ranks, Robert Duigan, to establish the first Cape independence newspaper? Every successful independence movement in history did not merely have a newspaper (they had multiple), but almost to a man all started with a newspaper. The movement for Cape independence (or even mere Cape decentralisation) has no presence, and therefore has no power.

Ultimately: just start doing things. Save the money used for polling, petitions, and "mandates" to devote to real activity, and undertake all this real activity primarily in Afrikaans, speaking the religious and social language of the people.
Doing things of course requires financing, and many potential funders might not wish to fund a specifically "Cape independence" initiative.

 

[lexity]

So you think that big businesses would never ally with each other to fleece the consumer in a free market?

In a free market:

1) A cartel of WC Apple farmers collude in an attempt to keep prices artificially high, making them filthy rich in the process.

2) An invited competitor farmer, looking to break into the WC Apple market, recognizes the artificial profit being made..... sees his chance to charge half that excess profit for the same product.

Question:

What can the cartel members legally do, in that free market, to prevent the new entrant from forcing the price down, without it affecting the existing quality of the product?

 

[ToxicBunny]

In a free market:

1) A cartel of WC Apple farmers collude in an attempt to keep prices artificially high.

2) An invited competitor farmer, looking to break into the WC Apple market, recognizes the artificial profit being made..... sees his chance to charge half that excess profit for the same product.

Question:

What can the cartel members legally do, in that free market, to prevent the new entrant from forcing the price down, without it affecting the existing quality of the product?

What all cartels do. Undercut the new upstart, drive him out of business and carry on.

 

[lexity]

What all cartels do. Undercut the new upstart, drive him out of business and carry on.

Which would raise the profit back to the point it invites the next new entrant.

 

[lexity]

BOOM!!!!

 

[vigras rojara]

Which would raise the profit back to the point it invites the next new entrant.

Using widgets as a token commodity instead of apples, how would the categorisation of the widgets as superior, inferior or Giffen goods affect your hypothesis?

 

[ToxicBunny]

Which would raise the profit back to the point it invites the next new entrant.

Rinse and repeat until the cartel owns all the land and no upstart can get involved.

 

[lexity]

Using widgets as a token commodity instead of apples, how would the categorisation of the widgets as superior, inferior or Giffen goods affect your hypothesis?

Give me a real world example.

Let's make it a bit more concrete/real.

 

[vigras rojara]

Rinse and repeat until the cartel owns all the land and no upstart can get involved.

Yup, that happens in the market all the time. The established players drop their prices for as long as it takes to force the upstart out of the market.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Yup, that happens in the market all the time. The established players drop their prices for as long as it takes to force the upstart out of the market.

Or they make it irresistable for the upstart to join the cartel and partake in the profits.

 

[vigras rojara]

Give me a real world example.

Let's make it a bit more concrete/real.

You can choose any item you want. Different categories of product respond differently to price adjustments. Only "inferior goods" will increase in demand as prices drop.

Economics 101.

 

[lexity]

Rinse and repeat until the cartel owns all the land and no upstart can get involved.

A scenario detached from the givens. You are allowing your cartel-conditioned expectations to colour your view of the alternative.

The diminishing supply of land would first force the price up... making the cornering of that real estate market impossible.

 

[vigras rojara]

Or they make it irresistable for the upstart to join the cartel and partake in the profits.

Or the jurisdiction involved passes legislation to ban anti-competitive behaviour. The new entrant halves the cost and the consumer saves.

But that's commie and bad.

 

[ToxicBunny]

A scenario detached from the givens. You are allowing your cartel-conditioned expectations to colour your view of the alternative.

The diminishing supply of land would first force the price up... making the cornering of that real estate market impossible.

Nope lexy. It's an example that has played out numerous times in reality.

And more often in 'free markets' than in evil state sanctioned genocides.

 

[lexity]

Or they make it irresistable for the upstart to join the cartel and partake in the profits.

By definition there'd be a dilution of profit to go around.... hence still would result in a drop in price, and still would not prevent the next new entrant from being enticed in to bring the profit down.

 

[ToxicBunny]

By definition there'd be a dilution of profit to go around.... hence still would result in a drop in price, and still would not prevent the next new entrant from being enticed in to bring the profit down.

You live In a unicorn infested fantasy land.

 

[lexity]

Nope lexy. It's an example that has played out numerous times in reality.

And more often in 'free markets' than in evil state sanctioned genocides.

That's simply not the case.

The reason has to do with the temptation to relinquish individual responsibility for using your feet to appoint winners, rather than take the short cut of appointing an effective gate-keeper who will 'relieve you of the burden' of having to judge your peers.

That is a departure from the formula, not an implementation of it.

If you want to get the results that go with the formula, you have to stick with the formula..... even if someone who really wants to help you offers you the deal of your life by promising you that you will never have to worry about self-defense and exercising moral judgement of your peers.