CapeXit 2

Poll is for all in South Africa -

  • Do you believe W/Cape secession from the Republic is feasible ?

    Votes: 28 34.1%

  • Would you support a bid for W/Cape to secede from the Republic ?

    Votes: 33 40.2%

  • In the event of secession being successful, would you consider migrating to W/Cape ?

    Votes: 23 28.0%

  • In the event of secession being successful, would you consider migrating out of W/Cape ?

    Votes: 3 3.7%

  • Would you support other provinces bids for secession ?

    Votes: 20 24.4%

  • I disagree to all questions

    Votes: 35 42.7%

  • Would you support a "Swiss Canton" style of governance for the Republic ?

    Votes: 24 29.3%
  • Total voters
    82
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vigras rojara said:
You can choose any item you want. Different categories of product respond differently to price adjustments. Only "inferior goods" will increase in demand as prices drop.

Economics 101.
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Name one. So we can use something in the real world, that you consider a worthy example.
 
konfab said:
There was a good article by Martin Van Staden in the prism magazine on the Cape Independent about what is wrong with the movement:

Two quotes in particular:
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I will take a look. :thumbsup:

edit: Oh... it requires subscription. Might have to pass on that for now.
 
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konfab said:
There was a good article by Martin Van Staden in the prism magazine on the Cape Independent about what is wrong with the movement:

Two quotes in particular:
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Why is it that a movement nearly two decades old had to wait for a relatively new addition to their ranks, Robert Duigan, to establish the first Cape independence newspaper? Every successful independence movement in history did not merely have a newspaper (they had multiple), but almost to a man all started with a newspaper. The movement for Cape independence (or even mere Cape decentralisation) has no presence, and therefore has no power.
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I'm taking that as a rhetorical question. So, ok, nothing wrong with helpful advice. :thumbsup:

Ultimately: just start doing things. Save the money used for polling, petitions, and "mandates" to devote to real activity, and undertake all this real activity primarily in Afrikaans, speaking the religious and social language of the people.
Doing things of course requires financing, and many potential funders might not wish to fund a specifically "Cape independence" initiative.
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There is this impression that the CIM hasn't done enough.

But embedded in this notion is a false premise i.e. that it doesn't take 2 to tango.

The CIM already did its bit in the Plan A phase.

The WC premier and the DA dropped the ball.

Why don't those who support the right to FoA, put some focus where it belongs by simply calling out the wrong-doers?

If a premier is found to be in breach of his oath, what ought one to be doing about that? That's a very dangerous precedent, to let a premier get away with it.

I don't know.... perhaps the prism magazine has already run an article on this. 🤷‍♂️
 
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lexity said:
To some - not small - extent, Phil has been leveraging the successful strategy of Farage, leading up to Brexit.

If Farage had changed his pitch or political allegiances, before reaching his goal, I think the British public would have sniffed him out in no time, and not supported him in such great numbers.

Phil Craig has built up a brand in the same vein. He can't go changing it at this stage, without seriously bombing out. If he did he'd probably end up in the mould of GHL, and the CIM would never trust him again.

He could even become a very successful politician by selling out his base, in the name of attaining greater power 'for the people'. He would not be the first.
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from time to time in the interests of a greater cause, leaders need to step aside and allow a fresh face to rejuvenate that cause.
this does not mean the incumbent leader should vanish into obscurity, but rather guide in the background.
 
lexity said:
I will take a look. :thumbsup:

edit: Oh... it requires subscription. Might have to pass on that for now.
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lexity said:
How about the consumer, who is convinced he's being taken to the cleaners?

All they have to do is take their business elsewhere, and there is nothing (legal) the cartel would be able to do about it.

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Sure, they could, as long as they dont mind not having the good that the cartel provides. That same choice exists in our economy today.
 
lexity said:
How about the consumer, who is convinced he's being taken to the cleaners?

All they have to do is take their business elsewhere, and there is nothing (legal) the cartel would be able to do about it.

:)
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Does the term "barriers to entry" mean anything to you?

Your argument only works because you have a number of hypothetical competitors with magical bankrolls that will fund their entry into these markets
 
lexity said:
The WC premier and the DA dropped the ball.

Why don't those who support the right to FoA, put some focus where it belongs by simply calling out the wrong-doers?

If a premier is found to be in breach of his oath, what ought one to be doing about that? That's a very dangerous precedent, to let a premier get away with it.

I don't know.... perhaps the prism magazine has already run an article on this. 🤷‍♂️
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You are missing the point. It doesn't matter what the premier does because the movement doesn't have real legitimacy on the ground.

Afriforum has far more legitimacy, to the point where they drive the ruling elite to the point of delusion, because they make an objectively positive impact on society. Think how much it must drive someone like Panzaya Lesufi, or Pierre de Vos crazy whenever Afriforum pops up on their Twitter feed when they do a private prosecution of some rapist the NPA ignored.
 
Cray said:
Does the term "barriers to entry" mean anything to you?
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vigras doesn't like to give real examples for some reason.

If you want to talk about barriers to entry, I'm down with that.

So, give me an example in which you think the factor of barriers to entry would sustain a cartel, in a free market.

Cray said:
Your argument only works because you have a number of hypothetical competitors with magical bankrolls that will fund their entry into these markets
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It's you who are saying the profit would be so obscenely high that we need to give a few fellow-citizens legal privilege, and a money printer, to protect us from them. Sacrificing property rights and freedom of association, in the process.

I think the burden of proof is on you to show there is genuinely a problem with markets that are completely open to competition.

The floor is yours.
 
lexity said:
vigras doesn't like to give real examples for some reason.

If you want to talk about barriers to entry, I'm down with that.

So, give me an example in which you think the factor of barriers to entry would sustain a cartel, in a free market.


It's you who are saying the profit would be so obscenely high that we need to give a few fellow-citizens legal privilege, and a money printer, to protect us from them. Sacrificing property rights and freedom of association, in the process.

I think the burden of proof is on you to show there is genuinely a problem with markets that are completely open to competition.

The floor is yours.
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If you need examples of what I was referring to, you apparently don't have a grasp of even basic economics and debating is pointless. We've been down that road before and I'm not doing it again. It's much more fun to crack jokes about libertarians anyway.
 
vigras rojara said:
If you need examples of what I was referring to, you apparently don't have a grasp of even basic economics and debating is pointless. We've been down that road before and I'm not doing it again. It's much more fun to crack jokes about libertarians anyway.
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You are the one implying special treatment before the law, for aggressive acts by some, is justifiable, not me.

The burden of proof is on you, to show why you can't simultaneously have open competition AND have equality before the law.

Aaaaand....go!
 
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