cat5e vs cat6

Mike Smit said:
You make too much sense dude. Sigh... :)

Oh well, will send the drum back and source some pure copper. Going to be a big job so don't want to do it twice because of k@k cable.
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This, in part, is what I do; and it's just not worth the cost, in time or reputation, to skimp on a job and have to go back at my own expense. Rather get a good job done the first time up.

The IP cameras are expensive so won't have them all up at once. Just one for now, then about 1.5 months the second and so on until I have 4 up. Will give me some time to get a decent PoE switch that can live in the home office and power the cameras.]/quote]Yes IP cams are are more expensive up-front than their analog ancestors but, as in anything, it varies - have you got the right ones ...for YOU? Again, the devil is in the details and I dance with him ALL the time. :cool:

quote]Thanks for calling them and confirming dude. You have saved me a bundle of time ;)
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Enlightened self-interest :whistle: ..I need to be SURE of where I can get what I can trust because I just don't have the time or interest in having to fight about it when I have something I have to get done; and now we're all better off for knowing.
 
bdt said:
This, in part, is what I do; and it's just not worth the cost, in time or reputation, to skimp on a job and have to go back at my own expense. Rather get a good job done the first time up.

Enlightened self-interest :whistle: ..I need to be SURE of where I can get what I can trust because I just don't have the time or interest in having to fight about it when I have something I have to get done; and now we're all better off for knowing.
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Do you know of a supplier in Gauteng I can pickup pure copper cable from? Just need a single drum of about 100M.
 
Mike Smit said:
The IP camera's are expensive so won't have them all up at once. Just one for now, then about 1.5 months the second and so on until I have 4 up. Will give me some time to get a decent PoE switch that can live in the home office and power the cameras.
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I just *have* to know ;) ..what cams? They can get to be most excitingly expensive but I doubt you're going that far up the woodpile; have you got the right ones for you/your application; are they the most suitable in terms of application flexibility down the line? And I know it's something of a thread derail but the OP is apparently long since MIA.
 
bdt said:
I just *have* to know ;) ..what cams? They can get to be most excitingly expensive but I doubt you're going that far up the woodpile; have you got the right ones for you/your application; are they the most suitable in terms of application flexibility down the line? And I know it's something of a thread derail but the OP is apparently long since MIA.
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Ya - it's our thread now :D

I am still looking around at cams. There are so many available so going to take time to find best value for money.
Main requirement is 720p for clarity and night vision.

I won a R1 auction on BoB last week for a Foscam 640x480 outdoor cam with night vision - R500. Works pretty good for what it is, but lacks the clarity and FPS I want.

I am using iSpy to monitor the stream, take snapshots when motion is detected and to record when motion is detected. The camera it's self has these features but finding it easier to do it from iSpy.
 
Mike Smit said:
I am still looking around at cams. There are so many available so going to take time to find best value for money. Main requirement is 720p for clarity and night vision.
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Okay, that immediately removes Ubiquiti's frankly somewhat toyish gen-1 airCam which, while being more or less megapixel and not TOO bad on video, don't have IR LEDs. And, as I have now had it thoroughly drummed into me by CCTV software recently, NOT all IP cameras are well supported in the various packages out there. But Hikvision tend to be well represented, what would you say to a wee IP66 PoE-powered bullet that really comes at a very nice price? Interestingly done video of (some of) its abilities here; and product page here. And, for your interest and consideration, there are two dome cameras in the same price range, before it starts to get to be ...more. Note that the dome cameras are 1.3MP and 2MP respectively; they don't have IR LEDs but they also see down to really low light levels and while, for now, I only predict/suspect it may work, there's nothing to stop you from 'lighting' up the dark at night with an IR illuminator.

I am using iSpy to monitor the stream, take snapshots when motion is detected and to record when motion is detected. The camera it's self has these features but finding it easier to do it from iSpy.
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iSpy's a really interesting FOSS tool, and I'm busy working my way through it (too). A more grown up approach, still free, is available in XProtect Go ..and BOTH systems support/recognise Hikvision cameras (I checked). :)
 
Mike Smit said:
Is that not overkill? If this is seriously good stuff and young guys vouch for it then I reckon I will drop some cash on some.
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He (has to be!) messing with you; there's NO way that's necessary for regular network use (but may well be a good idea for HDMI over network cable solutions). If anything (and specially if you're going to run 'naked' (id est non conduited) cable outdoors, this lovely stuff would be the overkill to use.
 
bdt said:
Okay, that immediately removes Ubiquiti's frankly somewhat toyish gen-1 airCam which, while being more or less megapixel and not TOO bad on video, don't have IR LEDs. And, as I have now had it thoroughly drummed into me by CCTV software recently, NOT all IP cameras are well supported in the various packages out there. But Hikvision tend to be well represented, what would you say to a wee IP66 PoE-powered bullet that really comes at a very nice price? Interestingly done video of (some of) its abilities here; and product page here. And, for your interest and consideration, there are two dome cameras in the same price range, before it starts to get to be ...more. Note that the dome cameras are 1.3MP and 2MP respectively; they don't have IR LEDs but they also see down to really low light levels and while, for now, I only predict/suspect it may work, there's nothing to stop you from 'lighting' up the dark at night with an IR illuminator.

iSpy's a really interesting FOSS tool, and I'm busy working my way through it (too). A more grown up approach, still free, is available in XProtect Go ..and BOTH systems support/recognise Hikvision cameras (I checked). :)
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I really like these cameras. I see the mini bullet is IP66 rated which is awesome. I was expecting to drop R1.5k to R2k per camera so this thing sits right on my budget. Picture quality is awesome. Cannot complain about that at all.

I found a few stores selling it for around R2k mark. Any others you are aware of - and possibly cheaper?
 
Mike Smit said:
I found a few stores selling it for around R2k mark. Any others you are aware of - and possibly cheaper?
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I'm looking at a dealer price list for those things (admittedly from Feb, but still) and just by getting the VAT price I'm already outpriced at that 2k mark ..you might as well just go for it at that price.
 
Ok, what is the rock solid way of detecting which cable is CCA and which is not because according to one of those links some manufactures dont label the cable correctly or dishonestly.
 
Not sure about how to detect it just looking at the cable. I read that if you peel the cable (also the twisted pairs) and you scratch the copper layer you will see the aluminium base.

I suppose most decent brands will specify in their box or label that is full solid copper. (like the picture of my cable attached)

Funny enough, I did a google search and I can see that Esquire is selling CCA cable. http://shop.esquire.co.za/ProductDescription.aspx?id=846404

also http://couchpotatoe.co.za/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=320 and http://www.sybaritic.co.za/store/product_info.php?products_id=24536 (sybaritic doesn't mention CCA, but is the same Unique Brand).

Something to be careful: They all mention the word "SOLID" without specifying what is the "solid" part.

I saw a website that mention "Guaranteed for 50m point to point". usually CAT5 can go for 100mt easily.

For more reading:
http://www.patchsolutions.com/blog/2012/copper-clad-aluminium-cca-patch-leads-whats-all-the-fuss
http://www.cetecglobal.com/technologies/cabling/cca.htm

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Shows what you should be looking for: an explicit statement of solid copper, a lack of which could be taken to mean you should consider asking questions. Also: you can apparently trust Linkbasic cable. :cool:
 
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