cat5e vs cat6

You need to worry less about 5/6 than you do about CCA (hint: BAD!) vs pure copper. And even then, this applies more to PoE than VoIP/data (I conflated the two in my mind, idjit!). Also: CATx cable (that we use anyway) is built for a (nominal) 100m run between active devices, so that pretty much doesn't matter anyway. But CCA is always bad.
 
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You need to worry less about 5/6 than you do about CCA (hint: BAD!) vs pure copper. And even then, this applies more to PoE than VoIP/data (I conflated the two in my mind, idjit!). Also: CATx cable (that we use anyway) is built for a (nominal) 100m run between active devices, so that pretty much doesn't matter anyway. But CCA is always bad.

Oh no. I ordered a drum of cat5e from Esquire today. Coming tomorrow.
I did not know about all these different types. Hope it is not CCA (whatever that is).
 
Just ask them if it's pure copper. CCA is "copper-clad aluminium", a product that is patently NOT pure copper ..but it *is* cheaper, and that's the draw card. See this page for some background; read further at your leisure.

If it is CCA is it really that bad. If they don't have our copper will CCA suffice for my home network.
My house is currently gigabit wired and I am replacing some of it this weekend. Don't want to run k@k cable.
 
If it is CCA is it really that bad. If they don't have our copper will CCA suffice for my home network.
My house is currently gigabit wired and I am replacing some of it this weekend. Don't want to run k@k cable.
Frankly, because you just DON'T/can't truly know what you're dealing with, it's just kark cable. You want an idea of how bad? Call Rudi at Cable Applications and ask him his feelings on CCA.:erm:

But, some practical points to consider:
- it's not made to a standard, who is to say one outfit's CCA is the same grade as the same *cough* quality as the one made by anyone else - what is the published standard?
- for pulling wire (heh), it's stretchier ..and may break a wire somewhere in there. You won't know at the time, but will find out later.
- it has higher resistance, which affects signal propagation. That MAY bother you on a GbE network that you spank; and is something to fear if you run PoE down the wire: resistance == heat, and heat in bundled, no escape/vent route cables is ..not.. good. I also know that you're going the IP camera route (lurking rulz!) :p and, frankly, the best way to run those *is* PoE.
- you're running infrastructure cable, something that goes in and tends to STAY in for many years: what's the benefit of cheaping out when your timeline is what - 5 years ...more?
 
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Frankly, because you just DON'T/can't truly know what you're dealing with, it's just kark cable. You want an idea of how bad? Call Rudi at Cable Applications and ask him his feelings on CCA.:erm:

But, some practical points to consider:
- it's not make to a standard, who is to say one outfit's CCA is the same grade as the same *cough* quality as the one made by anyone else - what is the published standard?
- for pulling wire (heh), it's stretchier ..and may break a wire somewhere in there. You won't know at the time, but will find out later.
- it has higher resistance, which affects signal propagation. That MAY bother you on a GbE network that you spank; and is something to fear if you run PoE down the wire: resistance == heat, and heat in bundled, no escape/vent route cables is ..not.. good. I also know that you're going the IP camera route (lurking rulz!) :p and, frankly, the best way to run those *is* PoE.
- you're running infrastructure cable, something that goes in and tends to STAY in for many years: what's the benefit of cheaping out when your timeline is what - 5 years ...more?

Noted and thanks for the info. Your advice is spot on. Going to drop them an email now and check what cable it is before they ship and get it changed if necessary.

Thanks dude.
 
Hi Guys

I know this is a popular topic,but if you doing data and voip would you still do cat5e.

Also any idea who sell these in SA

http://www.acomtools.com/

Thanks
DD

As somebody mentioned, you can run your network data and your voip with cat5e & cat6. absolutely no issues. The only thing to worry here is..."SWITCHES" make sure your switches have a decent throughoutput and they also are PoE.

Other important point is: check the speed of the Voip devices. Many can run only 100mbps. Some can run Gigabit. You pay more for gigabit (obviously). But if your switches are gigabit, your voip devices are 100mbps and your computers are connecting throught the voip device, you will have a bottleneck that you can avoid with Voip devices running at 1gbps.

do you have to worry about? yes and no. Not to worry for the regular users. The speed is almost unnoticeable for regular usage (email, browsing, server access, etc). But it will make a difference for applications that require more network bandwidth, such as finance applications (pastel, quickbooks), ERP, databases, etc. Also large files moves from clients to your servers will be slower under 100mbps.

You can always have a dedicated network port for the users that require more bandwidth if your devices are 100mbps. It all goes down to your finances.

ah... "linkbasic" is decent cat5e/Cat6 cable... "solid bare copper" http://www.scoopdistribution.co.za/download/linkbasic/UTP-305.pdf
 
I asked Esquire what cable they are sending me on the drub and he said "proper cat5e". Is that okay for my purposes?

All my switches are gigabit (Mix of D-Link, Asus and Linksys/Cisco). I am not sure if any of them are PoE though. Only just got going with the IP camera stuff so will need to check this out if I am to power the camera's via PoE.

Will cat5e suffice for a max of 4 cameras (720p), a couple of computers, couple of XBoxes, and then a few mobile devices.

I am not sure what cabling I have down at the moment as someone else did them for me. But whatever it is, it seems to be doing the job okay for now.
 
I asked Esquire what cable they are sending me on the drub and he said "proper cat5e". Is that okay for my purposes?
This is why I DESPISE wishy-washy terms like "proper". I HAD to know so I called and spoke with a guy I've dealt with before that I know to be on the ball and he gave me the stock code for the "UniQue" brand cable they push: KDUT8001-CCA ...CCA - 'nuff said. You may choose to buy it, but I certainly won't. Note: this has NOTHING to do with the "UniQue" brand in and of itself, this is only about that craptastic cable.

All my switches are gigabit (Mix of D-Link, Asus and Linksys/Cisco). I am not sure if any of them are PoE though.
Your wallet would likely have known at the time :p. Also, you would likely have seen in the labelling, PoE goes beyond what standard siwtches do, and will be branded as such.

Only just got going with the IP camera stuff so will need to check this out if I am to power the camera's via PoE.
You want to, you really want to: it's just a whole lot simpler to run the one cable out to the respective cameras to be part of the network, and not have to worry about power too. It also centralises your power, and therefore makes it simpler to get your network/security core onto clean/backed up power.

Will cat5e suffice for a max of 4 cameras (720p), a couple of computers, couple of XBoxes, and then a few mobile devices.
The question is less will CAT5e suffice but rather will your (fully gigabit) cope with that kind of traffic ...what do you think? :rolleyes:
 
Other important point is: check the speed of the Voip devices. Many can run only 100mbps. Some can run Gigabit. You pay more for gigabit (obviously). But if your switches are gigabit, your voip devices are 100mbps and your computers are connecting throught the voip device, you will have a bottleneck that you can avoid with Voip devices running at 1gbps.
Aye, basic VoIP phones tend to be 100TX; and if you're building for GbE, you have to run separate cables to the PCs and phones. Note that the two phones I linked are native PoE so it makes sense to not have to worry about power by going PoE; and, ultimately, if you're doing any kind of quantity of phones, you're just going to be better off with a PoE siwtch to handle the phones with a separate, main switch for the PCs, and you then bridge the two through one port on each.
 
This is why I DESPISE wishy-washy terms like "proper". I HAD to know so I called and spoke with a guy I've dealt with before that I know to be on the ball and he gave me the stock code for the "UniQue" brand cable they push: KDUT8001-CCA ...CCA - 'nuff said. You may choose to buy it, but I certainly won't. Note: this has NOTHING to do with the "UniQue" brand in and of itself, this is only about that craptastic cable.

Your wallet would likely have known at the time :p. Also, you would likely have seen in the labelling, PoE goes beyond what standard siwtches do, and will be branded as such.

You want to, you really want to: it's just a whole lot simpler to run the one cable out to the respective cameras to be part of the network, and not have to worry about power too. It also centralises your power, and therefore makes it simpler to get your network/security core onto clean/backed up power.

The question is less will CAT5e suffice but rather will your (fully gigabit) cope with that kind of traffic ...what do you think? :rolleyes:

You make too much sense dude. Sigh... :)

Oh well, will send the drum back and source some pure copper. Going to be a big job so don't want to do it twice because of k@k cable.

The IP camera's are expensive so won't have them all up at once. Just one for now, then about 1.5 months the second and so on until I have 4 up. Will give me some time to get a decent PoE switch that can live in the home office and power the cameras.

Will delay my little project until such time as I have the right cabling and switches. No point in a half @55ed job.

Thanks for calling them and confirming dude. You have saved me a bundle of time ;)
 
When the basic cabling spec calls for a (nominal) 100m between devices, what do you define as long distances?

I would also like to know.

Cat5e is fine for Gigabit Ethernet. Just buy decent cable and not the cheap schite, Krone, 3M, Lambda etc will be fine.
 
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