Cell C fighting for its life: report

[jannievanzyl]

Cell C fighting for its life: report

Cell C's ability to pay back its debt could be under threat should Icasa fail to implement its new call termination regulations.

As I was saying....

 

[falcon786]

You can try disgruntled cell c employee but you'd still be wrong.

Maybe you can tell if cell c employees are happy?
No bonus in 3 years? That true?

Yep I haven't had a bonus for many years,I'm self employed but a big fan of Cell C ever since I started saving over 40% of my bill per month since cancelling my 12 year old MTN contract......hey wait that was like a bonus right there!!!

 

[Bighit]

as a customer of theirs, i would say that their signal is crap, i am contemplating moving back to vodacom :wtf: , i can almost never make a call without it dropping, or it loosing connection, and this is in the greater gauteng area..

Correct, my signal in Durbanville and even Bellville is crap. I have to stand outside and lift my phone in the air and wait for that whatsapp picture to go through.

 

[BouncyNinja]

Suppose you get what you pay for

 

[Marcan]

Telkom Mobile will face the same fate eventually, it cannot survive the duopoly.

And prices will go up to R 2.50 per min again for calls, and 1 Gb will cost R 150, lasting till this month end.

 

[Jola]

as a customer of theirs, i would say that their signal is crap, i am contemplating moving back to vodacom :wtf: , i can almost never make a call without it dropping, or it loosing connection, and this is in the greater gauteng area..

I have the same with Vodacom in the middle of Joburg.

Service has declined markedly in the last six months, data from LTE to GPRS.

 

[HideInLight]

As I was saying....

That's if you completely ignore the injustice of what Vodacom and MTN have done in the past.
In fact I would suspect Vodacom and MTN would kill CellC if they got the chance, it's not like these MTR came as a surprise, Vodacom and MTN clearly knew what was gonna happen and have prepared for it.

 

[Necuno]

/ next step: telkom buys out cellc /

 

[qwertydudeza]

/ next step: telkom buys out cellc /

They looked at it, and ran away nothing worth buying

 

[qwertydudeza]

Yeah just look at where regulation got Vodacom and MTN to while they enjoyed R1.00 asymmetry per minute from Telkom. MTN just recorded over R13 billion rand profit this year.Lets hope Cell C can also enjoy the same type of level playing field the two bigs boys enjoyed all these years.
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Maybe read about MTN, this is the group not MTN SA and includes MTN Business ISP Unit, something Cell C don't even offer. Can't even offer a basic service with a network they dont own anymore. Also a large portion of the profit is reinvested back into the infrastructure and network growth. Tax is paid on profit before capital investment.

 

[DXL]

Agree 100 %

Yep those that want to protect MTN and Vodacom will continue throwing eggs at Cell C's face but the reality is no other company/new entrant with whatever management can survive under the current regulations.

This isn't mismanagement at Cell C or Telkom mobile but actually directly as a result of the unfair playing field Vodacom and MTN have been enjoying for over 20 years.Yes they needed that unfair playing field in the first 15 years in their favour to become big and strong with lots of towers,but now the tables need to turn,its about time the smaller operators enjoyed similar regulatory benefits to grow their networks also.

Agree 100 %

I must confess the ANC gobblenment preaches BEE shareholding and not enough Blacks are in the Technology sector and Blacks don't own shares in the Top Technology companies and not enough Blacks are in management positions but have they ever thought of creating an environment for these business's to succeed ?

CELL - C
BEE - STATUS
Staff complement: 89% are historically disadvantaged individuals and 47% are female. 54,5% of senior managers are HDIs and over 28% are female. Average age of employees is 32-34. Investment in skills development exceeds minimum legislative requirement of 3,65% of labour bill 37% spent on BEE suppliers and SMEs.



I was one of the first people to join Cell-C and was on an all day tariff of R1-50 per minute now if we subtract the R1-25 for termination at the time and the 15c for roaming Cell-C was only left with 10c per minute as profit to cover everything.
Not really sure how they came this far but thank GOD they did.
VodaCom and MTN were making almost R1-50 profit of every single call originated and Terminated in South Africa and for on Network Calls between R2-50 and R3 a minute.

Was this Fair ?

 

[entrepr]

Perhaps they shouldn't have built this: http://www.techcentral.co.za/inside-cell-cs-sprawling-new-campus/46156/

I am sure they structured their head office building to minimise their own capex (get developers to do that) and also reduce their opex (office rentals) compared to Sandton, whilst improving head office effectiveness. That follows what MTN did in 14th avenue, except that Cell C has a better location

 

[entrepr]

as a customer of theirs, i would say that their signal is crap, i am contemplating moving back to vodacom :wtf: , i can almost never make a call without it dropping, or it loosing connection, and this is in the greater gauteng area..

I have the opposite experience in my urban area - I have to use a Cell C phone because the MTN calls break up mid-discussion and that's not good enough to run any business

 

[falcon786]

Yep those that want to protect MTN and Vodacom will continue throwing eggs at Cell C's face but the reality is no other company/new entrant with whatever management can survive under the current regulations.

They looked at it, and ran away nothing worth buying

something Cell C don't even offer. Can't even offer a basic service with a network they dont own anymore.

And there we go you have just proved me right,the facts be damned lets rather insult Cell C and make up stupid comments about network quality.

Cell C offers me a basic service and data service much better than MTN in my experience for the past year odd with them and I used to be with MTN for 12 years,where I live my data is faster and my calls connect just as good so overall its a better quality service.

I cant compare with Vodacom because I have never been with them but yes we all know MTN and Vodacom have bigger networks which they grew by using the subsidy they got from Telkom with ASYMMETRY,the very same ASYMMETRY they are now fighting against because it doesn't make them richer.

The bigger networks MUST subsidise the smaller networks,MTN and Vodacom are proof of this and if we want other competition to improve then we need to give them the same opportunities before we start insulting them.

Maybe read about MTN, this is the group not MTN SA and includes MTN Business ISP Unit

Since seeing you are an MTN shareholder,employee or somehow connected, why don't you tell us how much of that R13 billion comes from that business ISP and what services and infrastructure that ISP uses and how was that infrastructure funded.Lets talk facts then shall we.You seem to know a lot so go on educate us.

Also a large portion of the profit is reinvested back into the infrastructure and network growth. Tax is paid on profit before capital investment.

Yes what portion/percentage exactly ?and what portion that went into maybe say that ISP you're promoting as independent?and how much was syphoned of to implement infrastructure in other markets instead of SA.

In fact come to think about it,CELL C is run amazingly well considering the lack of profits and yet they have managed to develop a network that comes so close to and in some areas beats the networks of Vodacom and MTN,they have done a very very impressive job all while keeping the prices very low,what an efficient company.

 

[Jola]

I have the opposite experience in my urban area - I have to use a Cell C phone because the MTN calls break up mid-discussion and that's not good enough to run any business

I have never had usable MTN signal at my house near Wanderers Cricket Ground. Visitors have endless problems.

 

[Gulio]

Since seeing you are an MTN shareholder,employee or somehow connected, why don't you tell us how much of that R13 billion comes from that business ISP and what services and infrastructure that ISP uses and how was that infrastructure funded.Lets talk facts then shall we.You seem to know a lot so go on educate us.


In fact come to think about it,CELL C is run amazingly well considering the lack of profits and yet they have managed to develop a network that comes so close to and in some areas beats the networks of Vodacom and MTN,they have done a very very impressive job all while keeping the prices very low,what an efficient company.

You just posting trash.
MTN group consists on operations in SA, Africa and Middle East, their other markets are massive and more profitable than SA.
Their ISP (fixed) services in the corporate sectors also contribute to their overall revenues, you cannot compare little ol 99c Cell C to ever come close to such profit margins as MTNs. Its not Cell C business model.

Cell C is not run very well. Their strategies are desperate. "Efficient", by calling Cell C efficient proves your biased and baseless understanding of the industry.

 

[Marcan]

And there we go you have just proved me right,the facts be damned lets rather insult Cell C and make up stupid comments about network quality.

Cell C offers me a basic service and data service much better than MTN in my experience for the past year odd with them and I used to be with MTN for 12 years,where I live my data is faster and my calls connect just as good so overall its a better quality service.
I cant compare with Vodacom because I have never been with them but yes we all know MTN and Vodacom have bigger networks which they grew by using the subsidy they got from Telkom with ASYMMETRY,the very same ASYMMETRY they are now fighting against because it doesn't make them richer.
The bigger networks MUST subsidise the smaller networks,MTN and Vodacom are proof of this and if we want other competition to improve then we need to give them the same opportunities before we start insulting them.
Since seeing you are an MTN shareholder,employee or somehow connected, why don't you tell us how much of that R13 billion comes from that business ISP and what services and infrastructure that ISP uses and how was that infrastructure funded.Lets talk facts then shall we.You seem to know a lot so go on educate us.
Yes what portion/percentage exactly ?and what portion that went into maybe say that ISP you're promoting as independent?and how much was syphoned of to implement infrastructure in other markets instead of SA.
In fact come to think about it,CELL C is run amazingly well considering the lack of profits and yet they have managed to develop a network that comes so close to and in some areas beats the networks of Vodacom and MTN,they have done a very very impressive job all while keeping the prices very low,what an efficient company.

Thanks old Bird of Prey, agree for a very large part with you. Qwerty is totally deluded IMHO, read also his comments under the original article and my reply.

 

[Vrotappel]

Maybe read about MTN, this is the group not MTN SA and includes MTN Business ISP Unit, something Cell C don't even offer. Can't even offer a basic service with a network they dont own anymore. Also a large portion of the profit is reinvested back into the infrastructure and network growth. Tax is paid on profit before capital investment.

Really? They need to get better accountants.

 

[falcon786]

You just posting trash.

Being from MTN you probably expect the masses to believe you just because you said so with big cool adverts on tv/media,don't bother here, this is MYBB and generally common sense wins not big advertising budgets or dodgy pricing structures,the facts speak for themselves.

MTN group consists on operations in SA, Africa and Middle East, their other markets are massive and more profitable than SA.
Their ISP (fixed) services in the corporate sectors also contribute to their overall revenues, you cannot compare little ol 99c Cell C to ever come close to such profit margins as MTNs. Its not Cell C business model.

Yes MTN is big we know that and the ironic thing is they got big because they were subsidised by Telkom,the very same Telkom whose little mobile arm is battling because they are not receiving preferential asymmetry rates like MTN did for 15years.

And you boasting of MTN's huge profit margins has just furthered what we are saying that they are rip off's lol thanks for the negative publicity for your company,don't let the boss see that comment from you!

Cell C is not run very well. Their strategies are desperate. "Efficient", by calling Cell C efficient proves your biased and baseless understanding of the industry.

Of course they are desperate nobody is denying that,they are desperate for a level playing field.Give them that and watch them take MTN to the cleaners,imagine right now they are giving MTN such a shake up what will happen in a level playing field.

 

[falcon786]

Thanks old Bird of Prey, agree for a very large part with you. Qwerty is totally deluded IMHO, read also his comments under the original article and my reply.

Him and Gulio seem to be MTN plugs shaking in their boots and rightly so because their big bonuses are at risk if Cell C gets a level playing field.