Champix - halluncinations WTF

[killadoob]

You should blame yourself and learn from it, not your doctor.

My doctor gave me the script last month and asked if i needed info, i told her nope i don't. I just need the script. Google.com is more powerful and there is way more information out there to help me. It doesn't matter what drug you get given a script for you should know about it, we live in the age of technology. People can no longer blame their doctors when they fail to use the information highway. Riax will say doctors know best but the reality is google knows best, you get thousands of different opinions. Putting your trust in your doctor means trouble. You needed to research the drug like i did prior to getting the drug which i will do on the 1st of may.

If something goes wrong when i use it, the drug will be the fault. Not my doctor and not me. If i do it your way and something goes wrong i not would deflect my cock up and blame other people or the drug. I would put my hands up and admit i didn't research it, nor did i know how to take it. I cocked up but i now have the information and can try again. Pointless wasting money going to seeing your doctor, research the rash and see what causes it in many people then go to your doctor who can run the proper tests based on many different opinions that you researched. Google.com and a couple hours of your time. Honestly people put too much faith in their doctors ability to know WTF they are doing. I trust my doctor but i always make sure my doctor is on the money using google.

for instance i was on dormican for sleeping tablets, i only found out it is bad because i googled it and asked my doctor to change me over to dorminoct because it stays in my body for 18 hours not 9 hours so there will be no mood swings and withdrawal. Now had i not taken the time to find this out i would still be on dormican with bad mood swings during the day. My doctor cocked up but thankfully i know how to use google.

 

[rubytox]

You should blame yourself and learn from it, not your doctor

Killa, if you're trying to pick a fight, then please stick your head in your arse and fight for air.

You seem to enjoy reading your own posts instead of reading and correctly interpreting other people's posts. I have and still do not blame my doctor. In fact, I accept the responsibility of what happened. Despite having done the research before taking Champix, I made a conscious decision to ask for a script. None of my prior research made any mention of a light smoker vs heavy smoker or I simply missed it because a smoker is a smoker until you do not smoke a single cigarette on any day of the week. That was my interpretation.

P.S. If your body can tolerate stuff like Dormicum, then I am sure you would be fine on Champix. I would rather sit outside on the lawn, howl at the moon and smoke a cigarette or a joint than to take any sleeping medication, including Stilnox and over the counter rubbish. That's because I have tried Stilnox and hated the memory lapses, i.e. not remembering what happened before I fell asleep.

 

[killadoob]

No dont blame yourself. A Dr is suppose to ask these questions

I was responding to riax blaming your doctor. I am not picking a fight.

Being a light or heavy smoker should make no difference. It's simply about taking it correctly and knowing what can happen and how to deal with it.

As i said you sound like you don't really want to give up so you have lost the battle before it's begun. Just keep smoking, much easier than taking champix the wrong way and blasting the drug because you didn't follow instructions properly. This isn't picking a fight, it is just making it very clear that your issues with champix are your own fault and not the drug.

my only issue is you say you researched the drug yet you have had no idea how to take it. So to me i don't understand how you can research something like you say you have and then you basically indicate you didn't follow the proper procure for using the drug you claim to have researched. Logically what did you research? You seem shocked about the sides meaning you never knew about them, so what exactly did you learn during your research phase?

This isn't about fighting, it is about understanding for me as well as i am about to go on it. The first thing i would do before popping the drug is knowing how to use it. So for me this thread has been great .

Regarding handling benzo's that is way different to anti depressants, takes a few days to get anti depressants working and the sides to lesson. So i would imagine champix will be the same and initially i will get some side effects but i will follow the recommended procedure and see how it goes from there. Your OP scared me a bit until i noticed you had no idea how to take the drug.

Anyways, to avoid getting you more upset i will leave it at that. At least i know if you take champix without following any sort of direction, shyte can go badly wrong. Good lesson for many people including myself as i tend to self dose on many different things .

 

[rubytox]

This isn't about fighting, it is about understanding for me as well as i am about to go on it. The first thing i would do before popping the drug is knowing how to use it. So for me this thread has been great .

Really? Why didn't you do that before taking Dormicum?


I'm convinced that you work for Pfizer.

Have you seen this?

Since then, Champix has been linked to nearly 450 serious cases of these same side effects, more than 80 of which ended in hospitalization or disability.

http://www.thestar.com/news/investi...h_canada_tightlipped_on_champix_suicides.html

And how about this one?

http://f2cscotland.blogspot.com/2011/06/champix-off-approved-list-in-france.html

If you felt so concerned AFTER you discovered how potent/bad Dormicum is, I suggest you seek another alternative to stop smoking. Sooner or later this drug will be banned. After my experience, I support the banning of this drug.

 

[Humberto]

for instance i was on dormican for sleeping tablets, i only found out it is bad because i googled it and asked my doctor to change me over to dorminoct because it stays in my body for 18 hours not 9 hours so there will be no mood swings and withdrawal. Now had i not taken the time to find this out i would still be on dormican with bad mood swings during the day. My doctor cocked up but thankfully i know how to use google.

Dormicum is normally used as a sedative before surgery. It has amnesia as a side-effect.

 

[killadoob]

Dormicum is normally used as a sedative before surgery. It has amnesia as a side-effect.

Amnesia while on the drug yes. Yes obviously but you take and go to bed?

It worked well so i didn't question it but i was on a flight to greece and my sister had dorminocts on her that another doctor had prescribed. I then went and research it and found out about the difference.

I totally cocked up, i never research it and my doctor let me down. I took that as a lesson. I didn't get defensive and try to deflect my cock up. There is no point trying to defend a cock up and i learned from it. That is the point i was making. However i did follow my doctors orders and i did research how i should take it, one before bed, i know i build a tolerance as well so i went from 7.5mg to 15mg within 6 months. So my only failing was not realizing the short and long term benzo's.

Amnesia when you sleeping? i think not. If you take it and don't sleep believe me shyte can happen you have no memory of it . Now i am on dorminoct and it's awesome. Google got me there though.

Ruby you have not once in this thread taken the full responsibility for disregarding information and dosing yourself up which is fine we have all at one point or another been in this situation. You need to admit you cocked up, never followed the direction and you came here telling us how horrible your experience has been. You sir failed not because you didn't research the side effect or the drug you failed purely because you never followed the guidelines set out for the drug use. Accept it. We are all human, you can get defensive and act like it wasn't entirely your fault but it was.

At the very least, know how the dosage should work. You have even said you research it and dude be honest, you never did and you never knew how to take it. Move on and take it as a lesson. Nobody is attacking you, i am merely trying to make sure you learn from this and that others learn from your cock up . I may made the same mistake but i recall my dormican cock up and i now have rules before taking meds, well unless they are not legal, then the rules are out the window.

I am not fighting with you but i fear you don't take responsibility for cocking it up and disregarding the easy steps to ensure the drug works. Call it fighting and get defensive but i am only stating what i see as the facts. if i made this thread i would not be so defensive and tell other people they are wanting to fight. I would say thank you guys for helping me see that i did not in fact research this nor did i take it the way it is intended to be taken. No fighting bro but if you want to make out like i am trying to pick a fight by all means tune me broken but am i wrong? You didn't know how it worked, you didn't know how to dose yourself and then you blamed the drugs. Just put up your hands and say thank you guys for showing me the errors i made. Instead of this defensive you are attacking me BS. Being stubborn is fine but your posts clearly indicate you had absolutely no idea WTF you were doing. You just popped the magical pill thinking you know how to take it. Obviously you didn't have a clue.

Anyways whatever dude, tell me i am attacking or fighting with you. Get defensive and ignore everything i have said. Continue smoking because this is not your fault at all, it's champix that failed you. Let's how stubborn you really are.

This has once again shown me that being ignorant and not knowing how to take your drugs can be really bad(yes i have been there myself and yes i was tuned broken about it). So when i go on champix month end i will follow the exact guidelines. I don't want to open the box and slap back a pill and hope i am doing it right.

 

[Humberto]

Amnesia when you sleeping? i think not. If you take and don't sleep believe me shyte can happen you have no memory of it . Now i am on dorminoct and it's awesome. Google got me there though.

Indeed, Dormicum is used as a sedative before surgery, precisely because it also induces amnesia. It seems Google didn't quite get you there.

 

[rubytox]

Killa, I hereby declare and admit that I have cocked up. Not by taking the wrong dosage. I cocked up because I started cutting down on smoking, battled with cravings and took Champix, following the correct dosage instructions. There...happy now?

I have only ever had Dormicum during surgical procedure. I once tried Stilnox for insomnia, went to bed, woke up the following day and found chocolate wrappers and cookies next to me in my bed. When I saw how badly my car was parked (NOT how I usually park), I knew that I must have gotten out of bed and drove to the shop but could not recall any of it. I dumped the packet and even if I'm paid to take it, I would turn down the offer.

Why do you take sleeping tablets? Have you tried quiting?

 

[DJ...]

Yup but remember his body was already in shock due to going cold turkey

Shock is a physiological symptom. It is not something that one willy-nilly uses as a reference to something that is difficult. Quitting smoking does not place one's body into shock. Shock is an incredibly serious physiological issue that can, in and of itself, lead to death.

Quitting smoking does not place one's body into shock...

 

[killadoob]

Shock is a physiological symptom. It is not something that one willy-nilly uses as a reference to something that is difficult. Quitting smoking does not place one's body into shock. Shock is an incredibly serious physiological issue that can, in and of itself, lead to death.

Quitting smoking does not place one's body into shock...

Going cold turkey does DJ, you go from having one of the most addictive substances in your body to having nothing. Have you ever seen a documentary on heroine withdrawal, that is your body going into shock DJ, perhaps shock isn't the right word but those people look like they are going to die if they go cold turkey.

For some nicotine induces a similar reaction. For me the first 4 days of cold turkey are unbearable. I feel sick, headache, nausea, cold shivers, dizziness etc i would say that is shock(perhaps you can give me a better word to use).Perhaps my wording as usual is not right but i think you know what i mean. Anyways i will be trying champix pretty soon. I will use it how they recommend it to be used. Smoke for the first 8-14 days and i will ensure my quit date is on a friday.

Humburto i know about the amnesia part of dormican. I used it for 4 years. It causes a complete black out once it kicks in but you are suppose to take it and go to sleep, meaning there won't be amnesia as you are asleep. They use it as premed because it keeps the patient awake and relaxed but it is a good sleeping tablet, not as good as dorminoct. So when used in a hospital as a premed you are correct, when used as a sleeping tablet it puts you to sleep if lie down and try sleep. Dormican is similar to rohypnol but it isn't water soluble. Royhypnol was also given out as a sleeping aid but it was water soluble, obviously then spiking drinks became an issue.

Quitting sleeping tablets, are you mad? Dorminoct is amazing. Makes you a bit sleepy, no amnesia and i am addicted to it(addicted to sleeping yes i am), i would not want to stop. Now that i am going on champix i will need more as champix keeps you awake as far as i have read. I know when i take my meds i will sleep, without them i am lucky to get 3 hours of proper sleep. I would rather take sleeping tablets and sleep by 10 over no sleeping tablets and getting 3 hours a night. Insomnia isn't a nice thing to have. This thread has given me good information though, so ruby don't take it as an attack, i am just making sure your OP is your fault because it sounds scary and hopefully i don't find myself in the same situation but i will see soon. Anyways GP time, thanx to sleeping tablets i went to bed at 9 last night and woke up at 7, start running the 6000 stickers i need to do for a client today. Without them i would have been running the stickers plenty at 3 this morning hahah.

 

[killadoob]

Have you tried Allen Carr's easy way?

Not sure but i have heard it is amazing. I know a few people who swear by it though.

 

[rubytox]

Going cold turkey does DJ, you go from having one of the most addictive substances in your body to having nothing. Have you ever seen a documentary on heroine withdrawal, that is your body going into shock DJ, perhaps shock isn't the right word but those people look like they are going to die if they go cold turkey.

Heroine and also alcohol withdrawal can be fatal. That's why it should be done under medical supervision.

For some nicotine induces a similar reaction. For me the first 4 days of cold turkey are unbearable. I feel sick, headache, nausea, cold shivers, dizziness etc i would say that is shock(perhaps you can give me a better word to use)

Totally with you on this one. Add to that insomnia, feeling bloated, sore throat etc. etc. It may not be lethal but can be very unpleasant.

They use it as premed because it keeps the patient awake and relaxed but it is a good sleeping tablet, not as good as dorminoct. So when used in a hospital as a premed you are correct, when used as a sleeping tablet it puts you to sleep if lie down and try sleep. Dormican is similar to rohypnol but it isn't water soluble.

To my knowledge it is not used as a premed but for some procedures, just to knock you. I had Dormicum with my knee op. I don't know if they give you anything else after they knock you out with Dormicum but to my knowledge, that was all the doc used.

Now that i am going on champix i will need more as champix keeps you awake as far as i have read.

I hope that you have researched the contra indications thoroughly. Taking a potent drug like Champix together with sleeping tablets :erm: I don't think that's a good idea. However, I do agree with you that insomnia can be extremely uncomfortable and it can make a person very miserable. Sex before going to sleep is a good alternative.

BTW, since I have quit with the Champix (after 3 dosages), I have done well. I think that I might be able to call myself a non-smoker within a week. The less I smoke, the more I don't like the taste or that it makes be feel dizzy after lighting up the first one for the day.

 

[rubytox]

P.S. Cannabis is supposed not to be physically addictive. People become psychologically addicted to it. Therefore, no physical withdrawal symptoms. Unfortunately it is a gateway drug that often introduces a person to a whole range of more addictive and lethal stuff.

 

[killadoob]

Anything can be a gateway drug dude, alcohol i would say is more of a gateway drug than cannabis for most. People don't class alcohol as a drug for some reason. Most people don't consider alcohol use and smoking as drug abuse because it's legal.

I am not worried about sleeping tabs clashing with drugs, i have taken sleeping tabs on coke, cat, extract, alcohol, zyban / anti depressants so i am not that worried.

Look a sore throat when you quit and a cough will obviously be an issue because your lungs are recovering, the odd thing is even though i feel like i want to die when i go cold turkey on cigi's i can managed the first few months fine, the longer i don't smoke is my issue because my mind is setup for the battle prior to entering, then i leave the left flank open a few months later and start up again. Many of symptoms you described could have been smoking related as well. If i was in your shoes i would give a go again.

You can die from anti depressants going cold turkey even, seizures etc so DJ your body without a doubt goes into shock. Depending on the person obviously will determine how bad it is but i know heroine withdrawal and nicotine withdrawal are about two most intense drugs to get off of, heroine winning by a country mile. It was an eye open watching a documentary on heroine withdrawal, holy shyte that was scary. Nicotine i think it is the more difficult one to get off of. For a heroine addict if they make sure they cut all ties to dealers and friends their access to the drug is much harder, for a smoker they can purchase their drug on just about every other corner and it's legal.

 

[rubytox]

Nicotine i think it is the more difficult one to get off of. For a heroine addict if they make sure they cut all ties to dealers and friends their access to the drug is much harder, for a smoker they can purchase their drug on just about every other corner and it's legal.

Being a sceptic and being called a conspiracy theorist by my family, I am highly suspicious of how difficult it has become to just give up smoking. I have always been able to quit by simply not smoking. In fact, ever since I have started smoking, I used to always smoke during summer months only. My mom hates the smell and smoking has always been banned to the outdoors ... same with my GF and I'm way more scared of her. Many of my friends used to comment on the ease with which I could give up and also why I even bother because I'm such a light smoker.

Smoking and freezing your arse of ... gotto be desperately addicted. It will not surprise me if they mix the tobacco with something that is way more addictive.

 

[killadoob]

Being a sceptic and being called a conspiracy theorist by my family, I am highly suspicious of how difficult it has become to just give up smoking. I have always been able to quit by simply not smoking. In fact, ever since I have started smoking, I used to always smoke during summer months only. My mom hates the smell and smoking has always been banned to the outdoors ... same with my GF and I'm way more scared of her. Many of my friends used to comment on the ease with which I could give up and also why I even bother because I'm such a light smoker.

Smoking and freezing your arse of ... gotto be desperately addicted. It will not surprise me if they mix the tobacco with something that is way more addictive.

You need to watch the movie with russel crowe in it.

The Insider(i won't tell you what it is about but watch it if you can) if you are not going to watch it then drop your conspiracies, there isn't one. It's all fact.

If you can stop so easily why don't you, most addicts believe they can easily stop whenever they want to

 

[rubytox]

You need to watch the movie with russel crowe in it.

The Insider(i won't tell you what it is about but watch it if you can) if you are not going to watch it then drop your conspiracies, there isn't one. It's all fact.

If you can stop so easily why don't you, most addicts believe they can easily stop whenever they want to

I've seen the movie.

I was naïve when I was younger and anyone could have fed me any BS and I would have believed it. A pregnant woman at work actually opened my eyes to the BS we are fed. She suffered severe morning sickness. According to research, apparently, the more nauseous a woman is during pregnancy, the higher the child's IQ.
That sounded like BS to me, so I googled it. All the research that I could find at the time, was done by drug companies that manufacture medication to relieve morning sickness. I could not find a single independent study where this theory was tested.

 

[killadoob]

Well then you know nicotine was enhanced to make it highly addictive.

You also know addicts say they can stop easily when the reality is they can't and they are lying to other people and themselves. I can't stop taking sleeping tablets, i won't even try. I don't go around claiming i can, smoking i can stop but the addiction keeps hold of me for months and i eventually start again so i cannot stop smoking but perhaps champix will allow me to finally get off cigi's. Get off smokes for 3 months and then go on another course 6 months later. then see where i am.

Quit for a year before but one smoke and you are right back at the start. I have quit drugs(includes alcohol) now though so it should be much easier to quit smoking . If i can get off smoking i am almost home, just my sleeping tablets but that is something i doubt i will give up. I am going to move up my quitting date though, getting champix tomorrow. I need to quit, i am training hard and smoking is limiting my progress. Plus 1.2k can be used for champix and some other stuff instead of wasting it on cigi's.

 

[rubytox]

I can't stop taking sleeping tablets, i won't even try. I don't go around claiming i can, smoking i can stop but the addiction keeps hold of me for months and i eventually start again so i cannot stop smoking but perhaps champix will allow me to finally get off cigi's. Get off smokes for 3 months and then go on another course 6 months later. then see where i am.

You are so contradicting yourself. You make huge issue about me not having followed instructions yet you are planning to do the exact same thing in 6 months?

I smell troll...

 

[killadoob]

You are so contradicting yourself. You make huge issue about me not having followed instructions yet you are planning to do the exact same thing in 6 months?

I smell troll...

Not at all, if i have been struggling with my temper as i did when i went a year without smoking i will resort back to the drug to try and help.

I have quit for a year before but my temper was a big issue, if i had the option of taking champix again i would make use of it to ensure i stay off cigi's. I have quit many times in the past and many times it has not stuck because i get sick of the mood swings that last even a year after i have quit. So if i need another round of champix to help me i will take the option.

I only made a huge thing over your inability to follow simple directions because you made a huge issue and told us how shocking champix was, you never mentioned you disregarded any information available to you and justed start popping the tablets with no direction.

So go call someone else a troll plz. See the difference between me and you is i have a plan. Read the directions, check google, stop on a specific date that the DIRECTIONS recommend and then look towards fighting the battle once the 3 month champix stint is over. It's like a war and your mind has to be the in the fight because champix will no longer be after 3 months.

Anyways you seem overly defensive so let's leave it at you cocked up, dosed yourself wrong, then gave the drug you knew nothing about the thumbs down. User fail.

I am not under the illusion i can open a box of drugs i know nothing about, pop a tablet and quit smoking forever.