Char recommendation

I am really trying to see and understand your point, but you are going completely off track here. The original poster wanted information on what class to roll and he likes to do dps and I suggested going with a pure dps class, since if you want to do DPS, go with a good dps class. Would you roll a priest to do dps ?

Never have I stated a hybrid like a pala is useless... yes they bring buffs to the raid, and any raid leader not taking any palla's onboard is kinda stupid if you ask me.

Why are you referring to Cata as well ? We are talking about now... today... not whats coming, no-one has a clue about whats coming ? how can you possibly use cataclysm as a reference point if you / me have NO idea whats coming.

You can argue as much as you want, but YES there is such a thing as hybrids. Warlocks, hunters, mages, rogues cant do healing or any other roles other than dps. We have one job, and one job alone. They are up to today still being referred to as Pure dps classes.
Hybrids like druids / pala's can perform multiple roles and are therefore reffered to as hybrids... there is no arguing / denying it.

The reason I mentioned those encounters, was because its specific encounters where HYBRIDS excell and perform excellently.

Also why are you referring to the whole argument about how hard you have to work for your gear ? Its not relevant to this discussion... yes I know you actually have a worse off job, since you need 3 sets of gear where a "PURE" dps class only needs one. (well unless he goes for an alternative DPS spec which is not very often). But thats the price you pay for having a hybrid class that can perform more than one role.

I just think you based your opinion on "your specific guild" raid dps stats... you are comparing your dps to say a player with totally incorrect gear choices, shot rotations, glyphs, and talents.

**edit - Please read the following statement from the Lead systems designer :

http://www.wowblues.com/us/hybrid-tax-20677330431.html
 
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from the post u linked this is the point i am making "This philosophy largely evolved in Wrath of the Lich King and is the design we plan on carrying forward to Cataclysm. In vanilla WoW, every class typically had one role. In BC, we tried to promote other roles for some classes, but we still didn’t make everyone play by the same rules. Warriors, and I hate to pick on them, were intended to be the best tank while also deliver dps that we would now label as competitive with rogues. By contrast, druids, paladins, priests and shaman were intended to be competitive healers, but have dramatically lower dps than pures and warriors. Likewise, druids, paladins, priests and shaman brought many unique and powerful buffs that were intended to compensate for their low dps. We spread these buffs out to a much greater degree in Lich King, and plan on refining that implementation for Cataclysm.

TLDR:

Hybrid = can respec to fulfill a different role (damage, tanking, or healing).
Hybrid != can fill multiple roles at the same time.
Hybrid != has awesome, amazing buffs or utility.
Hybrid != pure. Beyond that, there are no shades of gray among hybrids.


In general, we ask that players focus their feedback more on class mechanics and what is fun or not fun about the classes and not simply on “My dps is too low so you must buff me].” "


Why are you referring to Cata as well ? We are talking about now... today... not whats coming, no-one has a clue about whats coming ? how can you possibly use cataclysm as a reference point if you / me have NO idea whats coming.
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Because cata is not far off, if the OP is planning to role a class he should not choose it because its pure or not

I am really trying to see and understand your point, but you are going completely off track here. The original poster wanted information on what class to roll and he likes to do dps and I suggested going with a pure dps class, since if you want to do DPS, go with a good dps class. Would you roll a priest to do dps ?
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i have a a shadow priest i am lvling as a matter of a fact, they are doing really well as a dps class just so u know the utilities a shadow priest brings to the raid is awesome. The original poster did want information about classes, and this is exactly what i am giving him, that the class word "pure" should not stand in the way of picking a different class if he wants to dps, there is nothing but nothing wrong with the dps of any hybrid class.

You can argue as much as you want, but YES there is such a thing as hybrids. Warlocks, hunters, mages, rogues cant do healing or any other roles other than dps. We have one job, and one job alone. They are up to today still being referred to as Pure dps classes.
Hybrids like druids / pala's can perform multiple roles and are therefore reffered to as hybrids... there is no arguing / denying it.
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u only fill one role and thats dps.. yes but why do you think u also have 3 different tree's. because blizzard was bored? because each spec brings dif type of utility to a raid, speccing frost as a mage is a dps loss, but provides replenishment if u dont have another person in raid with replenishment, fire mages the scorch buff and i can carry on. each class brings dif utility to the raid and you should pick the class that suites you. Not "pure" dps if u want to dps.

Also why are you referring to the whole argument about how hard you have to work for your gear ? Its not relevant to this discussion... yes I know you actually have a worse off job, since you need 3 sets of gear where a "PURE" dps class only needs one. (well unless he goes for an alternative DPS spec which is not very often). But thats the price you pay for having a hybrid class that can perform more than one role.
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what i am saying is, if i want to perform on equal lvl as you with dps it takes me the same amount of effort as you do, and if u want to have to change to a dif spec because the raid requires a certain utility from it ( warlock to soul link ect for princes) your gear stays pretty much the same. If u want me to tank or heal on my pala' i need to make a complete set of gear from scratch.

the main problem i have with your argument is that you argue that "pure" dps is better to dps with then " hybrid" because u get max dps out of the class. but thats not true, the player gets the max dps out of a class. so for the OP, he should not roll a "pure" dps because he wants to dps only,he should pick a class he can enjoy irrelivant if u want to call it pure or hybrid.
 
Why on earth are people going on about Hybrids versus Pure and topping DPS meters. The OP asked which class people thought he should roll next, the choices were; warrior, shaman or druid. ALL of those are hybrids, not to mention he already has two pure classes at 80, so I'm pretty sure he knows what they are all about.

If you want to have your own discussion about why dps is **** and everyone should be healers or tanks, or why hybrids shouldn't try dps and leave that up to the pures, THEN MAKE YOUR OWN THREAD.

It is really poor form to just push your own nonsense into someone else's thread.
 
Abn0rm4l said:
Why on earth are people going on about Hybrids versus Pure and topping DPS meters. The OP asked which class people thought he should roll next, the choices were; warrior, shaman or druid. ALL of those are hybrids, not to mention he already has two pure classes at 80, so I'm pretty sure he knows what they are all about.

If you want to have your own discussion about why dps is **** and everyone should be healers or tanks, or why hybrids shouldn't try dps and leave that up to the pures, THEN MAKE YOUR OWN THREAD.

It is really poor form to just push your own nonsense into someone else's thread.
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Your absalutly right, but i do get carried away soemtimes. so /signing out of this post
 
You have incredible selective reading skills, you are missing the obvious staring you in the face, wheter you are just being stubborn, or just like to argue, I dont know ... Its clear I cannot come to even ground with you regarding the points I made.
I still stand by my point that a pure dps class with the same gear levels as a hybrid, does more damage output ...

If you want to roll a priest to do DPS, well thats your choice. By no means does it mean you will do sucky dps... but you will not beat a pure DPS class with similiar gear levels + skill levels. You will have to work harder to beat that opponent, and thats my closing statement regarding this.

You dont have to agree, but up to now you have done nothing else other than change the direction of the thread ...
Now in your last post you have gone from DPS hybrid vs pure to raid utility again...

Again... the fact is a hybrid has a dps tax. And I quote "In our design, the pure dps classes (hunter, mage, warlock and rogue) should do slightly higher dps than hybrid damage-dealers all things being equal. "
 
Looking forward to rolling a hunter when I finally get some time to play this game. I remember how easy it was on "private" servers levelling using your pet as cannon fodder :D

PS: I forgot whether you said you had a hunter (OP) because I had a customer halfway through reading this thread again. But I would recommend a hunter. Easy to level, always has decent damage as long as you get a good pet and basically unkillable in mob encounters (can take on mobs 5 levels above him too). Also fun to get some awesome bows at level 80 :D
 
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Pornolio said:
I would say if you like to do DPS... go with a pure-dps class.... Sure its fine and nice to go hybrid in the sence you can do other roles when you feel like it, but you will get dishearted pushing everything into your dps rotations as a hybrid, and still being outdps'd by a scrub geared pure-dps class.

The only hybrid class that tends to crush dps meters is unholy Dk's with multiple adds involved like Anube heroic.

I have been playing the hunter class for 4 years now, and I am still not bored with it. Then again, I dont like healing / tanking....

Its all up to your playstyle and what you prefer...
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Sorry but this is the original post completely dif to your saying now and this si waht set the ball rolling, read those bold letters again.

And sorry could not help but to reply to this
 
Funny, I don't read it as being different. Original post says pure dps will do more dps and so does his most recent. Now, perhaps the rift isn't as huge as it used to be, but it still exists. All things being equal. I mean there's a shammy in our guild who does quite a bit more dps than me for eg, but i'll be the first to admit that he's a better player. He also has 60ms ping. If i had that lat and his reactions, and played a rogue, then I would outdps him. No doubt about it.
 
Just wanted to say that RJMadCat's hunters are a disgrace to their class. Such good gear and yet sooo much fail!
Dude next time you try and prove a point at least try use good examples.

Also: Pure > Hybrid at DPS when equally geared and skilled. The end.

On topic: I'd say any of the three classes would be a good choice.
Shammy has the totem factor which is unique and they are loads of fun and have very little down time.
Warrior are the tough cookies, always fun ^_^
Druids can do everything and then some. Bored of one spec/role? Pick another without reroll =D
 
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Just wanted to say that RJMadCat's hunters are a disgrace to their class. Such good gear and yet sooo much fail!
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Thats why they have deaths demise as a title? don't dis them before u know them *edit* and what their job was in those fights

and no comment on pure>hybrid as i am done with that discussion,
 
Ohhh so that's why Tyrull stacks Haste and Rigash has an Explosive Shot Glyph and Improved Arcane Shot... Makes total sense, "Death's Demise" title must grant infinite wisdom into things that boost MM DPS (when they actually don't). Dude, for all we know those two were AFK during the Yogisip fight, so that title means sweet arse ***ol. Technically they should be branding their Jenkins title and nothing else.

When you have a good excuse as to why they have those completely useless stats/glyphs/talents let me know.
 
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Ohhh so that's why Tyrull stacks Haste and Rigash has an Explosive Shot Glyph and Improved Arcane Shot... Makes total sense, "Death's Demise" title must grant infinite wisdom into things that boost MM DPS (when they actually don't). Dude, for all we know those two were AFK during the Yogisip fight, so that title means sweet arse ***ol. Technically they should be branding their Jenkins title and nothing else.

When you have a good excuse as to why they have those completely useless stats/glyphs/talents let me know.
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If u know the tactics for yogg 0 on 25 man then you would know if i told you their job was taunts they dont = afk during the fight, i am not ehre to argue to you about how they specced and how they glyphed and what their reasons are, what i am saying is, dont dis them if u dont know them and if u dont know the reason they have done what they have done

*edit* and for one i would not know and i dont care how they glyph as i dont have a hunter thats past lvl 50
 
There is absolutely no sensible reason for having done what they have done as a Marksmanship hunter. NONE! Their mistakes as present today (2010-01-27) on their armory profile benefits them absolutely nothing at all, hell not even back on the 1st of December when they got their precious little title. Also, I know perfectly well what Yogg 0 implies as a hunter, the fact remains that just because they have the title doesn't make them experts in their class, as is clearly shown by their poor choices. So yes I might not know them, but fact remains: their toons need work and therefore are poor material for arguments in your posts.
 
i really dont want to carry on with this discussion , but please understand my point! I am not dissing vs hunters i am not saying they suck as a class, what i am saying is people should not make choices in picking a class they want to dps with because the only real choice is taking a "pure" class. the fact that Pornolio said that a badly geared "pure" dps out dps's a good hybrid is total nonsence and thats what got this "flaming" started and wich is what upset me. and i said hunter at that stage because he was a hunter and maybe could relate, i could just as well as pointed to the warlocks thats below us, and the mages was at top. but i was still only tp proove that people are not on top of dps because of their class, but because of their abilities. and i thin you maybe right they dont have the right gearsetup or what ever and stuff, it just prooves the point of " pure" doesnt automaticly give u the ticket to out dps a hybrid.
 
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