Cheaper telecoms on the way

krycor said:
Mind you i have heard thru the grape vine that a form of 'community service' will be implemented shortly for Engineering and IT related courses so i'm just glad i'm getting done. like med students are forced.(I think for engineers you need to do 1 yr already to register as one in SA)
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How totally lame... I can sort of see the point with med students etc.. but IT? Come on! If Telkom can't get telecoms out the rural folks how much good is a wetback graduate gonna do? So many people I know have just omved o/s to get away from this problem and the govermunt still persists in enforcing this crap.. offer incentives to stay, don't try and force people!
 
Mind you i have heard thru the grape vine that a form of 'community service' will be implemented shortly for Engineering and IT related courses so i'm just glad i'm getting done. like med students are forced.(I think for engineers you need to do 1 yr already to register as one in SA)
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Be harder to do for IT courses because you don't have to register with a statutory body in most, if not all, cases. If they try and slap me with that when I finsh I'll be on the first plane I can get outta here, ridiculous scheme.
 
Have to say I'm a tad saddened that forumites are giving up here & saying they hope it all blows up in guavamint's face in 2010, honestly that's not what I want, what I do want is affordable internet connectivity & access for all South Africans - if this country is to progress and move away from being a 3rd world country, then there need to be job opportunities for the youth of today and tomorrow, and IT + affordable communications & intenet is what this country needs right now - not in 2010.

I don't get tired of rehashing the same stuff over & over again [sure I get mad that it is necessary to repeat the same thing over & over, but I don't get tired of doing it], the way ic it is that the more consumers that come to MyADSL and read what we all moan about, the more enlightened consumers there will be [of all colours & orientations] :).

I wish that the unions [e.g. COSATU etc] would wake up to the fact that they too need to be pushing for affordable communications & internet - after all the children of union members are going to need jobs after school and tertiary education...
 
Metro Ethernet

Is this similar to cable TV + Ip network in overseas ?

Can we watch cable TV on Metro Ethernet ?

would be great to give competition to satellite provider.


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What's the hold up with signing the bill? Really!!!? It's been months now and we're still waiting for it to be signed.

I hope this is not like Mr. Mbeki's Feb 2004? speech about bringing telecom prices down and it hasn't happened since his speech.
 
friedpiggy said:
Just waiting for the wife to qualify then im off to the uk. im tired of waiting. why the h*ll should i as a consumer have to wait until 2009 for affordable communications because the govt is scared of a tsunami? So I am gonna stop complaining and do something about it, maybe once ALL the skilled ppl have left then they might wake up a bit and realise just where their profiteering has gotten them.
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Same boat friedpiggy - busy with perm. paperwork now and we're planning on leaving the end of the year. I'm not going to wait until 2009 for affordable, BROADBAND telecoms. And you're right at least the people leaving are doing something about it.
 
ic said:
Have to say I'm a tad saddened that forumites are giving up here & saying they hope it all blows up in guavamint's face in 2010, honestly that's not what I want, what I do want is affordable internet connectivity & access for all South Africans - if this country is to progress and move away from being a 3rd world country, then there need to be job opportunities for the youth of today and tomorrow, and IT + affordable communications & intenet is what this country needs right now - not in 2010.
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A hope that everything this government is doing blows up in their face. I've realistically accepted that we won't have broadband by 2010. The rest of the world will still come here in 2010, only afterward will they realise what a disappointment it was. Then who are they gonna laugh at? Not me, the leaders of this country. It's clear to me that Mbeki is sitting with his finger up his ass, so why blame Ivy for his incompetence in not signing the bill? You can't expect an incompetent Prime Minister to recognise incompetent Ministers.
Mark Baptiste, director of service provision director at Cisco Systems South Africa, says that until the president signs the bill, there is “not much you can do to get prices down”
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Doesn't this remind anyone of a certain incident involving an ID document.
 
Well I for one have real high hopes for this country...come on guys, lets hope positively and maybe...just maybe in a couple of decades time our kids can have the benefits of broadband....

I mean, if I was ripping ppl and making a killing of a life time....nothing will make me stop even if my country becomes laughing stock of the world....
Lets face it....its human nature at it's worse....

Should all just give up, work harder somehow and move to another country...or work harder and pay for the damn broadband bills until one day someone cant take it no more and does something(illegal) about it :)
 
Nameite said:
Well I for one have real high hopes for this country...come on guys, lets hope positively and maybe...just maybe in a couple of decades time our kids can have the benefits of broadband....

I mean, if I was ripping ppl and making a killing of a life time....nothing will make me stop even if my country becomes laughing stock of the world....
Lets face it....its human nature at it's worse....

Should all just give up, work harder somehow and move to another country...or work harder and pay for the damn broadband bills until one day someone cant take it no more and does something(illegal) about it :)
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Well, I agree it is only a matter of time before the poor wisen up. Then the crap will have hit the proverbial fan... Anybody remember the Bolivian Water Wars also known as the water revolution?
In January-April 2000 the people of Cochabamba took to the streets to take back their public water system which had been privatized six months earlier into the hands of three foreign corporations – Bechtel of the US, Edison of Italy, and Abengoa of Spain. The corporations raised rates astronomically for the city's residents. One seventeen-year-old boy was killed and more than a hundred people were injured when the government of former dictator Hugo Banzer sent out troops to stop the protests.
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People who think this scenario improbable (including government) watch out. Who's neck will THE PEOPLE try to break first when our telecoms revolution perhaps comes one day? Will it be Ivy's or whoever are the top honchos at Telkom? Methinks it will be everybody they can lay their hands on... and it will be justified! This is a very likely future if things don't change. The ball is in government/Telkom's court.
 
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"It’s still not clear if the department of communications is going to unbundle the local loop"
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Not clear? Come on, it's clear as day that there is absolutely no way the DoC will unbundle the local loop anytime soon (what did they say, two years?).
 
IMO the DoC will announce LLU to some extent sometime in 2006, reasoning is that Telkodemonopolies actually wants LLU to happen in a way that Telkodemonopolies still maintains control and can charge entities using the Local Loops to gain revenue that would otherwise be lost to SNOT if SNOT pushed ahead with its own Local Loops [too costly & therefore highly unlikely] or rather implemented WiMax in a major way [much more likely]. Note: this would not be true LLU, it would be a guavamint & Telkodemonopolies windowdressing version of LLU, but the DoC would announce it as full LLU nonetheless...

As for having high hopes that things will improve & change positively within the next 20 years or so, the only thing I am confident about, is that if we continue to push by pointing out how useless the DoC actually is, we will get the changes we want, hope is not enough - pressure has to be applied otherwise there will be no change, with hope things can either stay the same or get worse.
 
Hope and pressure are both useless in this case. It's time for action from the consumers. My idea is still an option.
 
mmm... i'm starting to wonder if the president ran out of toilet paper, leaned over, and grabbed whatever paper he could get along with bill to be signed... ( :D then the bill will truely be lost )

I HAVE LOST ALL FAITH IN GOVERNMENT TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT OUR TELECOMS MESS!

i'll have something good to say should the bill be signed as promised by the end of the month (i'd be surprised if its this year actually), but even once its signed, i get the feeling its going to be a letdown in every regard!.

If LLU is going to be a watered down version and presented to the public as full LLU, it will only be a matter of time before someone will notice and more pressure will have to be applied were necessary!.

I'm done holding my breath, i need my cuppa coffee to read more of all this Bull$hit
 
SA better hurry up with LLU and lower pricing, because broadband and business are moving at an alarming rate.

The most simple thing I've noticed over here is more disregard for creating light weight websites and much larger email attachments. In a country where every business has broadband, out of neccessity, it obviously leads to new services and new ways of doing things.

Broadband in the UK is set to become a consumable just like electricity or water. With 38% of homes already connected and an estimated 75% connected by 2010, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that virtually every aspect of commercial life will be conducted online.

Since I arrived here, I've done pretty much everything via the net - bank account, all my bills, organised my new car, found a job, bought numerous items. It's become so common place that people who don't understand computers or the internet are saying things like "I went on the internet to get that"

It boggles the mind that SA are lagging behind so badly, seemingly oblivious to the massive benefits that can be gained from cheap and accessible broadband - and not just for the wealthy!

Every school should have a broadband connection, period.

Then again, SA is still struggling to give the basics like water and electricity to the masses, but that shouldn't slow up the progress of broadband - if anything, it should send out a message to increase the rollout, making it affordable to the new middle classes in order to generate business, which in turn, would help finance projects to assist the poor.

It seems that we're still talking about the same old problems that I read when I first joined this forum, two years back?
The progress has been glacial.
 
bb_matt said:
The progress has been glacial.
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What progress, broadband? no recessed? Country? No some areas yes, crime bad! economic kiler! Fraud? more of the same, Reverse discrimination? abundant! ......

Now I feel sick again!
 
A term just popped into the head. I don't know if anyone has used this before:

Fraudband - Broadband that isn't.

Peace.
 
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