Chery and Haval real feedback?

[epah]

Why not?

A Hyundai Venue which is the nearest competition starts at R309,900 for the 1.2 Manual, 61 kW of raw power. 115 Nm torque.

Chery Tiggo starts at R269,900 for the 1.5 which has 83kW and 138 Nm so you get a whole lot more for less while only paying a slight premium in fuel.

Hyundai Venue does 7.2 l/100 and lets say the Tiggo really does do 9l/100.

You'll need to use 1,874 litres before the pricing of the cars even level out...and this is before looking at any other features. That price difference was almost the entire fuel bill of my Kia Picanto it's in lifetime of ownership.

You can look at it that way, But fuel efficiency is important for most people on a budget, I spend R3800 monthly ave on fuel, My car does 5.6L/100km, if i were doing 9L/100km I simply wouldn't afford fuel, it would be too expensive and out of my budget.

 

[epah]

And they are all universally more expensive.

So how does "saving fuel" on those models equate to making more sense when you are spending more money overall?

Yes it's higher but the way people carry on you would swear it was double.

My very fuel efficient Kia Picanto averages 6.8l/100 over it's lifetime, the Tiggo 4 Pro is a far larger car with an engine that makes some real power.

Okay so you save R1000pm on car installments but spend R2000 more per month on fuel, so where are the savings you are talking about. Lets not even discuss depreciation of the CCP vehicles. Where are the savings?

 

[Curt889]

You can look at it that way, But fuel efficiency is important for most people on a budget, I spend R3800 monthly ave on fuel, My car does 5.6L/100km, if i were doing 9L/100km I simply wouldn't afford fuel, it would be too expensive and out of my budget.

It's also the cost of tyres, alot of people don't factor this into their ownership costs. Okay some don't drive.much and sell the car by time it needs new tyres.

Then it's availability and cost of parts. Ease of repairs,is it dealer only or can you do it or another workshop.

Common faults and their cost to repair

Accident repair parts,are they easy to source

 

[epah]

I test drove a Breeza (not too bad, tbh) and one look under the hood told me it was ''old school''. Which in itself isn't a problem if it wasn't for the pricing, which I found a bit too heavy for a car that is overall more on the budget side in terms of finishing.

Yap, no excuse for the insane pricing considering the R&D for maruti cars paid off 20 years ago. The profits they make are crazy. Really not worth a buy. Not to mention they are underpowered and very boring to drive, frustrating too. Zero redeeming qualities.

 

[Lupus]

Yea flip true. Along with their stolen high speed train tech .which Germany ,Japan and France then blocked the sale of high precision train wheels to them as a repercussion

They attempted to manufacture them in house. Which they cannot get them right and have a massive issue with their trains vibrating.

This after bragging their trains are the fastest most advanced in the world.

Their new 6th gen fighter mock up is just there to get the rest of the world to waste money

Yup their showing off will probably actually make real 6th gens start showing up.

 

[Lupus]

Yap, no excuse for the insane pricing considering the R&D for maruti cars paid off 20 years ago. The profits they make are crazy. Really not worth a buy. Not to mention they are underpowered and very boring to drive, frustrating too. Zero redeeming qualities.

That sounds like a lot of Toyotas oh wait

 

[thestaggy]

Yap, no excuse for the insane pricing considering the R&D for maruti cars paid off 20 years ago. The profits they make are crazy. Really not worth a buy. Not to mention they are underpowered and very boring to drive, frustrating too. Zero redeeming qualities.

I test drove an automatic and I noticed the power deficiency. It accelerated to 60ish km/h no problem, so it felt like it could keep up with traffic, but when I gunned it on an open piece of road it felt lazy. Then again the 4-speed 'box (more old school tech) was likely doing no favours here. I'd imagine a lot of frustrating gear hunting trying to get in and out of traffic.

Overall feels like a budget car (which again, not a problem if they were priced right), but not really at a budget price.

 

[epah]

I test drove an automatic and I noticed the power deficiency. It accelerated to 60ish km/h no problem, so it felt like it could keep up with traffic, but when I gunned it on an open piece of road it felt lazy. Then again the 4-speed 'box (more old school tech) was likely doing no favours here. I'd imagine a lot of frustrating gear hunting trying to get in and out of traffic.

Overall feels like a budget car (which again, not a problem if they were priced right), but not really at a budget price.

The manual is exactly the same, Off the line it feels like it is peppy, but once you go over 50km/h then you realise there is no power, speed increases at a snails pace and forget about accelerating on an incline without having to downshift, you wont go anywhere. However that 4pot is really smooth compared to the 3cyl. Butter smooth.

 

[Ecco]

A taxi did t bone her and repairs are starting tomorrow.. rear door, some trim pieces and rear wheel will be replaced.. we have already been told a week ago that one wheel and plastic door trim is on back order.. the door seems to be available and won't be holding up to repair process.. so parts availability may be hit and miss, so there may be a delays for some things if repairs are ever needed..

Colleague at work had similar accident last year and getting a replacement door took a few months. Car was drivable, so major inconvenience. But the spares issue is real and is something to be aware of if anybody is going to buy.

 

[Curt889]

The polo was the same from 9n to 6r. Went from low power on pull off and nice cruising ability to nippy from robot to robot and screaming on the highway with no overtaking power.

Yet the motor got 16v and a power boost

 

[SauRoNZA]

Okay so you save R1000pm on car installments but spend R2000 more per month on fuel, so where are the savings you are talking about. Lets not even discuss depreciation of the CCP vehicles. Where are the savings?

It will ultimately depends on the person, like I said the price difference between the cars was my entire fuel bill for the life of my previous car.

You aren't going to be spending R2000 more on fuel.

If you are doing 7.2l/100 now your cost of fuel is going up by 25% so even on your extreme R3800 bill it's going up by R950, that's 42 months of fuel before you level out to the purchase price.

Someone like me though who doesn't drive all that much with a household fuel spend of R1700-R2000 on average it hardly matters at all and becomes almost inconsequential.

 

[epah]

It will ultimately depends on the person, like I said the price difference between the cars was my entire fuel bill for the life of my previous car.

You aren't going to be spending R2000 more on fuel.

If you are doing 7.2l/100 now your cost of fuel is going up by 25% so even on your extreme R3800 bill it's going up by R950, that's 42 months of fuel before you level out to the purchase price.

Someone like me though who doesn't drive all that much with a household fuel spend of R1700-R2000 on average it hardly matters at all and becomes almost inconsequential.

I will accept that reasoning.

 

[SauRoNZA]

When I recently had a Haval Jolion for the day it averaged around 7l/100km for the day I had it without specially trying anything or using Eco mode which I felt was quite decent for the size of the car.

Hated the gearbox though...think I hate them all now since I've gone hybrid.

 

[SauRoNZA]

I will accept that reasoning.

And then you add the feature differences to that and you quickly start to realise why people do it.

Paying a bit more for fuel is not a hard sell when it improves your day to day experience dramatically.

You can have a bare bones go kart with no creature comforts, or spend the same money overall but perceivable more due to higher fuel while living it large from day to day.

 

[epah]

And then you add the feature differences to that and you quickly start to realise why people do it.

Paying a bit more for fuel is not a hard sell when it improves your day to day experience dramatically.

You can have a bare bones go kart with no creature comforts, or spend the same money overall but perceivable more due to higher fuel while living it large from day to day.

Why are you starting another debate, we have closed this, See you in the next CCP car thread and we can have this argument all over again. Cant wait!

 

[SauRoNZA]

Why are you starting another debate, we have closed this, See you in the next CCP car thread and we can have this argument all over again. Cant wait!

Don’t get me wrong I think people buying new cars are all insane, especially Chinese ones.

More so non-hybrid ones.

 

[epah]

Don’t get me wrong I think people buying new cars are all insane, especially Chinese ones.

More so non-hybrid ones.

Oh my gahd you are like a dog with a bone, just stop already.

 

[Craig_]

Chery released a software update for the auto tiggo 4 pro to address fuel consumption.. wife has the manual and sits at around 10L/100km, but she is not a very economical driver.. I can get it down to just under 9L/100km when I am driving.. not great, but when you look at total cost of ownership vs Japanese and German, still winning..

That's more (albeit only slightly) than I use with a 2.2 Ranger. My long term average is around 8.9l/100 km. I can get it down to under 8 on the open road but 90%+ of our current route is the sht traffic in Stellenbosch.

You want to tell that to the Kia Rio the wife owned before that, doing much the same consumption for the same short distance, stop go driving..?

Now that car, that is a horrid POS. I had a rental Rio a few years back, had to drive ORT to Nelspruit and back. My word. Slow slow slow.

 

[Craig_]

The polo was the same from 9n to 6r. Went from low power on pull off and nice cruising ability to nippy from robot to robot and screaming on the highway with no overtaking power.

Yet the motor got 16v and a power boost

My wife had a 1.4 6r polo, some years back. Only had that car for about a year. Even in town that thing was gutless.

And then you add the feature differences to that and you quickly start to realise why people do it.

Paying a bit more for fuel is not a hard sell when it improves your day to day experience dramatically.

You can have a bare bones go kart with no creature comforts, or spend the same money overall but perceivable more due to higher fuel while living it large from day to day.

My friend has a tiggo 4 pro, drives a lot and is happy. He also has a Hyundai IX35 and the tiggo is lighter on fuel than that. Lots of features, so I sort of understand why people like it. Another friend has the tiggo 7 pro, he loves it as well. But I'll still wait a few years before looking at them myself.

 

[thestaggy]

@epah I just sat in my colleague's loaner C3 1.2T Aircross.

'Yay' or 'Nay'?