Chess

So just a question for the chess folks:

Recently went to a school tournament that used a yellow card system.

Basically, players are carded for illegal moves and a few other considerations. However what seems a bit odd to me is that when I was taught chess years ago, it was pretty normal to say to a player check or check mate.

In the tournament, when they opened, it was specifically stated that they did NOT need to do this. And what happened is that players were being carded for not realizing that they were in check. Sure, players should know it but it feels a bit like abuse of the system and pretty unsportsmanlike.

Or am I just being old fashioned and deluded?
 
Kosmik said:
So just a question for the chess folks:

Recently went to a school tournament that used a yellow card system.

Basically, players are carded for illegal moves and a few other considerations. However what seems a bit odd to me is that when I was taught chess years ago, it was pretty normal to say to a player check or check mate.

In the tournament, when they opened, it was specifically stated that they did NOT need to do this. And what happened is that players were being carded for not realizing that they were in check. Sure, players should know it but it feels a bit like abuse of the system and pretty unsportsmanlike.

Or am I just being old fashioned and deluded?
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Sounds stupid. I know nothing about tournaments, but especially with kids you do need to point out if they are in check or if they make an illegal move.

Pro tournaments that I've watch have Ref guy walking around for that.
Chess is going online that just automatically blocks illegal moves.

Sounds like they are trying to fix a small problem with a over complicated bigger problem.
 
rietrot said:
Sounds stupid. I know nothing about tournaments, but especially with kids you do need to point out if they are in check or if they make an illegal move.

Pro tournaments that I've watch have Ref guy walking around for that.
Chess is going online that just automatically blocks illegal moves.

Sounds like they are trying to fix a small problem with a over complicated bigger problem.
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Oh and if you are carded twice in a match auto forfeit, forgot that part.
 
Kosmik said:
So just a question for the chess folks:

Recently went to a school tournament that used a yellow card system.

Basically, players are carded for illegal moves and a few other considerations. However what seems a bit odd to me is that when I was taught chess years ago, it was pretty normal to say to a player check or check mate.

In the tournament, when they opened, it was specifically stated that they did NOT need to do this. And what happened is that players were being carded for not realizing that they were in check. Sure, players should know it but it feels a bit like abuse of the system and pretty unsportsmanlike.

Or am I just being old fashioned and deluded?
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Sounds very unfair to me.
 
Kosmik said:
So just a question for the chess folks:

Recently went to a school tournament that used a yellow card system.

Basically, players are carded for illegal moves and a few other considerations. However what seems a bit odd to me is that when I was taught chess years ago, it was pretty normal to say to a player check or check mate.

In the tournament, when they opened, it was specifically stated that they did NOT need to do this. And what happened is that players were being carded for not realizing that they were in check. Sure, players should know it but it feels a bit like abuse of the system and pretty unsportsmanlike.

Or am I just being old fashioned and deluded?
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Sounds daft to me that you not allowed to say check or checkmate. When I was younger playing competition it was standard to let your opponent know that they were in ****
 
Kosmik said:
So just a question for the chess folks:

Recently went to a school tournament that used a yellow card system.

Basically, players are carded for illegal moves and a few other considerations. However what seems a bit odd to me is that when I was taught chess years ago, it was pretty normal to say to a player check or check mate.

In the tournament, when they opened, it was specifically stated that they did NOT need to do this. And what happened is that players were being carded for not realizing that they were in check. Sure, players should know it but it feels a bit like abuse of the system and pretty unsportsmanlike.

Or am I just being old fashioned and deluded?
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If it is a South African school chess tournament, then it is played by the FIDE Laws of Chess. Some of the clubs play by different rules, depending on the association. No, you don't have to say "check" or "checkmate". In fact, you don't have to say anything.

FIDE, however, don't have a disciplinary system of using cards. It does make use of arbiters.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
If it is a South African school chess tournament, then it is played by the FIDE Laws of Chess. Some of the clubs play by different rules, depending on the association. No, you don't have to say "check" or "checkmate". In fact, you don't have to say anything.

FIDE, however, don't have a disciplinary system of using cards. It does make use of arbiters.
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It was a sa school tournament. The fact that players did not know they were in check, so made a move, was the cause of the infringement.
 
Kosmik said:
It was a sa school tournament. The fact that players did not know they were in check, so made a move, was the cause of the infringement.
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I don't agree with the card system at all. The player should dispute by taking it up with the arbiter. The arbiter decides by clearly defined rules in the FIDE Handbook.

Strange, to be honest.
 
Hmmm, I need to check if something changed with Chess SA. They play by the FIDE Laws of Chess. Arbiters will have the player, Chess South Africa (CSA) ranking on their clipboard, and arbiters should be understanding of the level the player is at.

I have accompanied my kid to most of his tournaments, and I am also the mentor of my own kid. All I am going to say is that I have, many a time, been in disagreement with how the CSA tournaments are organised, and how they go about disputes. I am not going to go into that.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
If it is a South African school chess tournament, then it is played by the FIDE Laws of Chess. Some of the clubs play by different rules, depending on the association. No, you don't have to say "check" or "checkmate". In fact, you don't have to say anything.

FIDE, however, don't have a disciplinary system of using cards. It does make use of arbiters.
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It was always the case that you don't have to say it. But it helps if you do especially with young kids otherwise they end up making illigal moves, then you need to say something anyways, call the arbiters over.

It's much easier to just say check.
Another solution would be to allow for the king to be captured on the next move if a player miss that they are in check. But that's not allowed.

You have to do something about the check.
 
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