China - Taiwan Developments

AfricanTech said:
Theory vs Reality

In theory, no system is "morally" superior

In reality, democracy (whichever flavour) is "morally" superior.
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The Constitution of the People's Republic of China (PRC) states that its form of government is "people's democratic dictatorship".[7] The Constitution also holds that China is a one-party state that is governed by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). This gives the CCP a total monopoly of political power which it frequently exercises. All political opposition except those that have clearance by the CCP is illegal. Currently there are eight political parties in China that have been given this clearance. [8] The CCP denies that China is a dictatorship[citation needed] but rather is a "socialist democracy", in which the CCP is the central authority and acts in the interest of the people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_in_China
During a visit to Europe in 2014, CCP general secretary Xi Jinping said that a multi-party system would not work for China. He said China had experimented in the past with various political systems, including multi-party democracy, warning that copying foreign political or development models could be catastrophic because of its unique historical and social conditions.[9]
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SA - is a constitutional democracy - but in our case - we vote for a party, who selects the president.
 
Kieppie said:
I don't live there so I can't comment. Closest was in Taiwan, but besides some cultural differences one 1st world city is pretty much like the next..

We've been expecting them to break their shackles and rise up for decades. We debated at university that as their standard of living increases they will be less willing to work for, what we consider to be, slave wages which would essentially cripple their competitiveness with the rest of the world resulting in forced changes in their government. This hasn't happened. Sure there are some detractors and people that flee their country, but how significant is this to their overall population?

As to whether the system is better I suppose you could look at the influence exerted on the globe. Theirs have been rising consistently over the years, while western nations have started to wane. As westerners we view this as problematic, but for the average Chinese?
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So, I googled - are Chinese folks happy -

Well - s'pose depends who you ask, and who they ask.

Plenty answers, but none I care to share.
 
Paulsie said:
Sorry, my previous comment got tangled up with another post.

It's like - imagine there's conflict with Taiwan. The question would be, what did the US do to cause that?

The answer would be Nancy.
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She was invited there.

Are you actually suggesting that a sleepover caused an invasion?

That's like saying the Bulls loosing the match caused a man to beat his wife to death.

You can't dish out responsibility like that.

Well, you can, but that would be wrong and frankly, fukcing insane.
 
So are the tanks floating around because of Taiwan or because the banks are busy collapsing and people are protesting all over the place?
The last time those protests happened the tanks were also brought out.
 
tetrasect said:
She was invited there.

Are you actually suggesting that a sleepover caused an invasion?

That's like saying the Bulls loosing the match caused a man to beat his wife to death.

You can't dish out responsibility like that.

Well, you can, but that would be wrong and frankly, fukcing insane.
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Heard similar sort of things in the Ukraine thread, the mental gymnastics as to what people consider to be "provocation" to justify invasion is quite astounding.
 
tetrasect said:
She was invited there.

Are you actually suggesting that a sleepover caused an invasion?

That's like saying the Bulls loosing the match caused a man to beat his wife to death.

You can't dish out responsibility like that.

Well, you can, but that would be wrong and frankly, fukcing insane.
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Remember the old "mini skirts cause rape" argument?

Same fcked up logic.
 
AfricanTech said:
Remember the old "mini skirts cause rape" argument?

Same fcked up logic.
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Wrong example.

More like mommy telling a predator to keep f**k away from her daughter, otherwise mommy will rip his head off.

All about perspectives isn't it?

So we're back to who owns whom, but that depends on the two territories and international law. It is in no way the US job to decide.
 
Paulsie said:
Wrong example.

More like mommy telling a predator to keep f**k away from her daughter, otherwise mommy will rip his head off.

All about perspectives isn't it?

So we're back to who owns whom, but that depends on the two territories and international law. It is in no way the US job to decide.
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Wait, wait

So

China is Mommy
USA is Predator
Taiwan is Daughter

soooooo.......

China warns USA 'stay the fck away' or China will rip USA's head off.......except that it's currently firing missiles into the sea around Taiwan???? (ie practising head ripping moves around daughter's head not predators head, thus scaring the shirt out of daughter).

Nice mommies that....(not!)

Your analogy is screwed.
 
AfricanTech said:
Wait, wait

So

China is Mommy
USA is Predator
Taiwan is Daughter

soooooo.......

China warns USA 'stay the fck away' or China will rip USA's head off.......except that it's currently firing missiles into the sea around Taiwan???? (ie practising head ripping moves around daughter's head not predators head, thus scaring the shirt out of daughter).

Nice mommies that....(not!)

Your analogy is screwed.
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Is mommy firing at Taiwan? Was mommy firing before Nancy?
 
Paulsie said:
Is mommy firing at Taiwan? Was mommy firing before Nancy?
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Read my post again.

"Head ripping moves (military exercises) near (Taiwan) daughter's head "

Your analogy is is a kuk one.
 
AfricanTech said:
Theory vs Reality

In theory, no system is "morally" superior

In reality, democracy (whichever flavour) is "morally" superior.

The Encyclopedia Britannica (https://www.britannica.com/topic/democracy/International-systems) puts it so much better than I could:

(1) democracy helps to prevent rule by cruel and vicious autocrats;
(2) modern representative democracies do not fight wars with one another;
(3) countries with democratic governments tend to be more prosperous than countries with nondemocratic governments; and
(4) democracy tends to foster human development—as measured by health, education, personal income, and other indicators—more fully than other forms of government do.

Other features of democracy also would be considered desirable by most people, though some would regard them as less important than features 1 through 4 above:
(5) democracy helps people to protect their fundamental interests;
(6) democracy guarantees its citizens fundamental rights that nondemocratic systems do not, and cannot, grant; and
(7) democracy ensures its citizens a broader range of personal freedoms than other forms of government do. Finally, there are some features of democracy that some people—the critics of democracy—would not consider desirable at all, though most people, upon reflection, would regard them as at least worthwhile:
(8) only democracy provides people with a maximum opportunity to live under laws of their own choosing;
(9) only democracy provides people with a maximum opportunity to take moral responsibility for their choices and decisions about government policies; and
(10) only in a democracy can there be a relatively high level of political equality.
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2) Yes yes, no record of this in modern times right ?

10)Nice troll, you made them read all the way to the end before just straight out lying.
 
Supplier just confirmed that they cannot ship sample due to "shipping delays" from Taiwan :mad:
 
On Wednesday, the Chinese government released a white paper on Taiwan, its first since 2000, that reiterated its desire for “peaceful reunification” but did not rule out the use of force as a “last resort.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/is-taiwan-worried-china-threat-invasion-pelosi-visit-rcna41964
The paper argued that the Taiwan issue is not one of “freedom and democracy” but one of “safeguarding national sovereignty and territorial integrity.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/is-taiwan-worried-china-threat-invasion-pelosi-visit-rcna41964
The majority of Taiwan’s almost 24 million people say they have no desire to become a part of China, preferring to maintain the status quo whereby the island runs independently but does not make any official claims of independence. In an opinion poll published this week by Taiwan’s Chinese Association of Public Opinion Research, 60 percent of respondents said they were either not that worried or not worried at all about a war between Taiwan and China.
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apnews.com

China renews Taiwan threats, island cites 'wishful thinking'

China has renewed its threat to attack Taiwan following almost a week of war games near the island, amid international condemnation and a stinging rebuke from the self-governing democracy's government.
apnews.com apnews.com

BEIJING (AP) — China on Thursday renewed its threat to attack Taiwan following almost a week of war games near the island. Taiwan has called Beijing’s claim to the self-governing democracy “wishful thinking” and launched its own military exercises.

Taiwan’s “collusion with external forces to seek independence and provocation will only accelerate their own demise and push Taiwan into the abyss of disaster,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin said at a daily briefing.

“Their pursuit of Taiwan independence will never succeed, and any attempt to sell the national interest will be met with a complete failure,” Wang told reporters.
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