China - Taiwan Developments

NarrowBandFtw said:
LMFAO ... you do realise the UN and the USA and essentially ALL countries that matter on the world stage view Taiwan is part of China

oh the delicious irony comparing to Ukraine ... so you tell me, can Donbass decide it's own future apart from Ukraine? because that is the exact same comparison if you say Taiwan can decide it's own future apart from China

you choose, either you stand with both China and Ukraine against their respective breakaway republics, or you stand against them ... or you are a pathetic hypocrite

you really only have those three options, I know which one is the truth though ;)


consistency is OK by me, do you support any and all breakaway republics or only the ones that suit your brainwashed western narrative?
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China is the breakaway republic of Taiwan...
 
Cosmik Debris said:
Oh, dear. Here we go for the 23rd time:


https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2021-10/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2030%20September%202021%20%28rev%208%20Oct%202021%29%20EN.pdf

https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2031%20December%202021%20%28rev%2027%20January%202022%29%20corr%20EN_0.pdf

Civilian deaths per year:

25 in 2021
26 in 2020
27 in 2019
55 in 2018
117 in 2017
112 in 2016
954 in 2015
2084 in 2014

We can see that more than half each year from 2018 onwards were caused by unexploded munitions and mines.

Total conflict-related casualties in Ukraine in 2014-2021:

OHCHR estimates the total number of conflict-related casualties in Ukraine from 14 April 2014 to 31 December 2021 to be 51,000–54,0008: 14,200-14,400 killed (at least 3,404 civilians, estimated 4,400 Ukrainian forces9, and estimated 6,500 members of armed groups10), and 37-39,000 injured (7,000–9,000 civilians, 13,800–14,200 Ukrainian forces11 and 15,800-16,200 members of armed groups12).

If it's not clear to those who refuse to comprehend, the figures above indicate that conflict-related deaths dramatically reduced in 2015 (by more than half), then reduced by a further 89 percent in 2016, held steady for a year, then reduced by an additional fifty percent (on the 2016/2017 number) in 2018, and another fifty percent (on the 2018 number) from 2019 onwards.

If anything those numbers appears to demonstrate a radical reduction in hostilities and, in the absence of other information, may in fact point to peace being achieved in the 'disputed' region.

Of course, Russia then rolled its tanks over the border and literally pulverised that trend.

"Objective standards mean that defense is justified. Unjustified aggression is not. Aggression could be justified if it averts an obvious impending war. Given that Ukraine was not planning to attack Russia and that the OBJECTIVE numbers tell us that the numbers of killed civilians were dropping almost exponentially from 2014 to 2021, and that Ukraine had asked for UN peacekeepers but Russia refused, there is no way to OBJECTIVELY justify Russia's war of aggression."
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WTF is this? The Minsk II Agreements called for an immediate ceasefire and granted limited autonomy to the Donbas regions. Civilian death toll data is interesting but utterly irrelevant with respect to negotiated (partial) autonomy.
 
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Cosmik Debris said:
Ah, thanks for admitting you have no clue about what you posted. Just some random stuff that you thought would make it look like you knew what you were talking about...
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There was no talking. Just a map. It showed an incremental... hmmm... something. Now, what could that be...
 
This is just another false flag, Stoke the fires in the conflict then attack China
The west wants to slow or even stop China
 
hexagon said:
The text of the negotiated settlement is actually quite clear. If you have to explain it, you're doing something wrong.
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Your opinion is very one sided. You refuse to look at thw other side but I digress. There's an active offtopic thread about this.
 
Trump questioned the historic one-China policy and now Trumpets continue to question the one-China policy. What a joke.
 
Cosmik Debris said:
Oh, dear. Here we go for the 23rd time:


https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2021-10/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2030%20September%202021%20%28rev%208%20Oct%202021%29%20EN.pdf

https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2031%20December%202021%20%28rev%2027%20January%202022%29%20corr%20EN_0.pdf

Civilian deaths per year:

25 in 2021
26 in 2020
27 in 2019
55 in 2018
117 in 2017
112 in 2016
954 in 2015
2084 in 2014

We can see that more than half each year from 2018 onwards were caused by unexploded munitions and mines.

Total conflict-related casualties in Ukraine in 2014-2021:

OHCHR estimates the total number of conflict-related casualties in Ukraine from 14 April 2014 to 31 December 2021 to be 51,000–54,0008: 14,200-14,400 killed (at least 3,404 civilians, estimated 4,400 Ukrainian forces9, and estimated 6,500 members of armed groups10), and 37-39,000 injured (7,000–9,000 civilians, 13,800–14,200 Ukrainian forces11 and 15,800-16,200 members of armed groups12).

If it's not clear to those who refuse to comprehend, the figures above indicate that conflict-related deaths dramatically reduced in 2015 (by more than half), then reduced by a further 89 percent in 2016, held steady for a year, then reduced by an additional fifty percent (on the 2016/2017 number) in 2018, and another fifty percent (on the 2018 number) from 2019 onwards.

If anything those numbers appears to demonstrate a radical reduction in hostilities and, in the absence of other information, may in fact point to peace being achieved in the 'disputed' region.

Of course, Russia then rolled its tanks over the border and literally pulverised that trend.

"Objective standards mean that defense is justified. Unjustified aggression is not. Aggression could be justified if it averts an obvious impending war. Given that Ukraine was not planning to attack Russia and that the OBJECTIVE numbers tell us that the numbers of killed civilians were dropping almost exponentially from 2014 to 2021, and that Ukraine had asked for UN peacekeepers but Russia refused, there is no way to OBJECTIVELY justify Russia's war of aggression."
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What you fail to mention 23 times and counting is that there was a big escalation in 2022 before the war. In 2014 when there was an escalation in hostilities the Russians did not start a war. But the reason you do not mention this is obvious.
 
Cosmik Debris said:
So Taiwan can't decide its own future then? Just like Ukraine?

Anyone anti West is OK by you and the US is always at fault?
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Why do only 13 countries recognize Taiwan as independent?


Officially, Taiwan is part of China. As such (and along the lines of your opinion re Crimea and Donbas region in Ukraine), the governing party should be involved in any possible separation talks.

And lastly, as Taiwan is officially part of China, the US is meddling in internal politics of China. As such, China has the right to defend itself.
 
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Solarion said:
The West must be really powerful. They seem to have mind controlling abilities over the actions of others because it seems like no matter what anyone else says or does, it's the WESTS FAULT.

Yes I can just see it now. In the white house, down a flight of stairs and in the basement is this secret temple where these telepaths are all zenned out controlling the whole planet from a great, great distance. It's amazing stuff.

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Did trump openly and directly threaten China, he did, it’s been planned for a while now. The west will jump in to help Taiwan.
Both Common enemies of the west, Russia and China.
 
Solarion said:
The West must be really powerful. They seem to have mind controlling abilities over the actions of others because it seems like no matter what anyone else says or does, it's the WESTS FAULT.
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I love that THE WEST thing .......... boils down to anything east of the black Sea to Hawaii and Japan .......... boils down to NATO .......... boils down to the incumbent POTUS ........... boils down to the US.

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Solarion said:
Yes yes America always America, America this and America that omfg it's like listening to a bad Britney song on auto repeat. We get it we really REALLY get it Pak.
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You disagree that they are meddling in various conflicts around the globe
 
Solarion said:
The West must be really powerful. They seem to have mind controlling abilities over the actions of others because it seems like no matter what anyone else says or does, it's the WESTS FAULT.

Yes I can just see it now. In the white house, down a flight of stairs and in the basement is this secret temple where these telepaths are all zenned out controlling the whole planet from a great, great distance. It's amazing stuff.

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You do realize what globalization means? You know, like shrinking the world where everything is interconnected?
 
Paulsie said:
Why do only 13 countries recognize Taiwan as independent?


Officially, Taiwan is part of China. As such (and along the lines of your opinion re Crimea and Donbas region in Ukraine), the governing party should be involved in any possible separation talks.

And lastly, as Taiwan is officially part of China, the US is meddling in internal politics of China. As such, China has the right to defend itself.
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Kind of hard for them to get recognised as a sovereign nation when China throws its weight around..

Regardless, its a hugely complicated situation that can't necessarily be boiled down to sovereignty on the international stage
 
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