China - Taiwan Developments

Cray said:
Taiwan clearly wants the US to be involved, surely it's not for you or anyone else to decide who Taiwan has dealings with? If Taiwan didn't want Pelosi to visit they could have refused her entry...
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You're suggesting that Stanley Mathabatha could invite the Dalai Lama to visit without the approval of the National Assembly. Insanity.

Taiwan is a province of China.
 
Cray said:
Perhaps the question should be, if an authoritarian regime wasn't threatening you, would you want independence?
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You're implying a sense of an innocent bystander suddenly being threatened, which is not applicable. People here seem to either be forgetting or are too young to know about (or purposely ignoring), that china and taiwan are still in a de facto state of civil war. Taiwan isn't an island that was independent and suddenly being threatened, it became part of china back in the 1600's until it was taken by japan and only given back after ww2 (officially renouncing claim/control in the 1950's through a combination of the treaty of san francisco and taipei). Ironically the kmt originally started off as an authoritarian party advocating for a one party state, only switching [taiwan] to a representative democracy in the 80's/90's.
 
Mystic Twilight said:
You're implying a sense of an innocent bystander suddenly being threatened, which is not applicable. People here seem to either be forgetting or are too young to know about (or purposely ignoring), that china and taiwan are still in a de facto state of civil war. Taiwan isn't an island that was independent and suddenly being threatened, it became part of china back in the 1600's until it was taken by japan and only given back after ww2. Ironically the kmt originally started off as an authoritarian party advocating for a one party state, only switching [taiwan] to a representative democracy in the 80's/90's.
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So you don't think the West should be defending the one part of China that is actually democratic and for the most part, a free society?
 
C4Cat said:
What does the US get out of this provocation? Why do they care so much for the Republic of China?
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They are supporting one part of greater China that is actually democratic and a free society..? It seems weird that everyone here has such a love affair with a country that has an appalling human rights record,
 
nivek said:
And yet the white house is scrambling to repair relations with China
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Of course, money talks, and China has nukes and a big army, but that doesn't make them right.
 
C4Cat said:
What does the US get out of this provocation? Why do they care so much for the Republic of China?
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Your issue is that you're parroting the Chinese narrative, instead of understanding the importance of Taiwan to the US in terms of manufacturing. A visit to them for economical reasons and not provocative ones.
 
Cray said:
So you don't think the West should be defending the one part of China that is actually democratic and for the most part, a free society?
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Answer me this. If Taiwan has the right to self determination (and I think they should be able to by the way), why not Crimea or the Basque region in Northern Spain?
 
Cray said:
So you don't think the West should be defending the one part of China that is actually democratic and for the most part, a free society?
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The US has had a deliberate policy of strategic ambiguity towards Taiwan. By not formally recognising Taiwan the US does not provoke a nationalist response on the mainland. Yet it manages to gaurantee Taiwan's democracy and security through military assistance and trade.

The average Taiwanese as the polls indicate support this policy.

This move risks emboldening hotheads in Taiwan (as it did in Ukraine) and threatening war by getting an extreme nationalist as head of the CCP.
 
Cray said:
So you don't think the West should be defending the one part of China that is actually democratic and for the most part, a free society?
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I'm not in a position to say if they should or should not, on the one hand there should be intervention for the greater humanity aspect and keeping the peace, but on the other hand there should be a respect for internal civil matters.

I personally think having taiwan becoming independent shouldn't be such a big deal for china, but then given the whole five eyes operation driven by the usa it wouldn't be surprising for the usa to install military bases and missiles in taiwan, and then you have the whole cuban missile crisis on repeat. It's no secret the usa wants to suppress chinese expansion, economic and military, whether rightfully or wrongfully.


I would also like to point out,

Cray said:
They are supporting one part of greater China that is actually democratic and a free society..? It seems weird that everyone here has such a love affair with a country that has an appalling human rights record,
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Cray said:
You know that criticism of China doesn't mean you approve of the US right?
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In the same vein, criticism of the foreign meddling is not an approval of the ccp (the majority of the chinese population is relatively powerless at the moment to make substantial impact on decisions).
 
Paulsie said:
Dictatorship apologists - and so the othering starts.
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Weird how most people would think that democracy is a good thing, yet you peeps seem to think that 23 million people losing their democratic right to decide their own destiny is all good?

Paulsie said:
Pelosi sides with and openly supports Taiwan (independence) in a Taiwan VS China conundrum. Taiwan is currently not recognized by the UN. As such, she is working outside of the proper channels.
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And yet it was recognized as a country by the UN from 1949 to 1971, who do you think is primarily responsible for that change?
 
C4Cat said:
Being brainwashed by Western propoganda isn't a good look either
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So China is actually a democracy with a spotless human rights record, it's just Western propaganda that has us all fooled? :rolleyes:
 
Cray said:
So you don't think the West should be defending the one part of China that is actually democratic and for the most part, a free society?
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Why is the (so-called) West's overt Imperialism better than something else? It's peachy for 'Murica to whip up tension and meddle in the affairs of a sovereign nation? Like they did in Afghanistan? Worked out well there, did it? Or Vietnam? Or Iraq?
 
Cray said:
So China is actually a democracy with a spotless human rights record, it's just Western propaganda that has us all fooled? :rolleyes:
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No one is pretending the CCP is a democracy. But to provoke a military response from them is idiotic.

We are able to have more than two thoughts in our heads here.
 
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