China - Taiwan Developments

KleinBoontjie said:
When was the last time that USA won a war?
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They win all the wars, even those they're not actively fighting in. As long as they profit, they win
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KleinBoontjie said:
When was the last time that USA won a war?
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When's the last time they lost one?

When they went to Iraq the first time in the gulf war it was to restore the Kuwaiti border, which they did in just 100 hours.

In Afghanistan they set out to overthrow the Taliban, which they did in less than a month, and get Bin Laden, who they finally found and killed 10 years later.

In Iraq the second time they went to overthrow Saddam and his government. They took the capital in 2 weeks.
Then it took another 8 months to find Saddam.

The USA easily whips any nation's ass.

Their mistake is trying to turn the place into a functioning democracy after they win. That's no easy feat in a place filled with uneducated zealots who practically live in the stone age.
 
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Cray said:
Of all the things that never happened, this never happened the most.
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Yes it did. I even have a picture.

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tetrasect said:
Not "still", but rather "again".

The US defeated the Taliban in 2001.

Just because the Taliban resurfaced with new members doesn't mean they weren't defeated the first time.
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Just because they were overthrown doesn't mean they were beaten.

The US tried to get things under control in Afghanistan until 2018 when they gave up.

They learned, just like USSR did, that you can't fight the mujahadin in Afghanistan.
 
Paulsie said:
Just because they were overthrown doesn't mean they were beaten.
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Yes it does. The US killed most of them, captured every city and took control of the country.

The US went in and whipped their asses in less than a month. That's called winning.

Paulsie said:
The US tried to get things under control in Afghanistan until 2018 when they gave up.

They learned, just like USSR did, that you can't fight the mujahadin in Afghanistan.
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Like I said: Their mistake was trying to turn the place into a functioning democracy after they won. That's no easy feat in a place filled with uneducated zealots who practically live in the stone age.

Your argument is that because the Taliban political movement still exists that means that the US army lost on the battlefield which is rubbish. You might as well be saying the allies didn't actually defeat Hitler because there are still neo-nazis in Germany.

You're conflating politics with armed conflict.
 
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tetrasect said:
Yes it does. The US killed most of them, captured every city and took control of the country.

The US went in and whipped their asses in less than a month. That's called winning.


Like I said: Their mistake was trying to turn the place into a functioning democracy after they won. That's no easy feat in a place filled with uneducated zealots who practically live in the stone age.

Your argument is that because the Taliban political movement still exists that means that the US army lost on the battlefield which is rubbish. You might as well be saying the allies didn't actually defeat Hitler because there are still neo-nazis in Germany.

You're conflating politics with armed conflict.
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I know we're in China thread, but what you're saying is that if Russia withdraws from Ukraine, then regroups and ends up controlling the country, Ukraine has actually won the war?

The US was never in control in Afghanistan. The conflict never ended. That's what winning means. Their famous debacle at Kabul airport during their withdrawal is a case in point.
 
tetrasect said:
Yes it does. The US killed most of them, captured every city and took control of the country.

The US went in and whipped their asses in less than a month. That's called winning.


Like I said: Their mistake was trying to turn the place into a functioning democracy after they won. That's no easy feat in a place filled with uneducated zealots who practically live in the stone age.

Your argument is that because the Taliban political movement still exists that means that the US army lost on the battlefield which is rubbish. You might as well be saying the allies didn't actually defeat Hitler because there are still neo-nazis in Germany.

You're conflating politics with armed conflict.
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Even the US president disagrees with you. According to him, the war that (according to you ended on 2001) apparently only ended in 2021.

The longest war in history.

And the government they put in place could not defend themselves either. What a win!!

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Remarks by President Biden on the End of the War in Afghanistan | The White House

State Dining Room 3:28 P.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: Last night in Kabul, the United States ended 20 years of war in Afghanistan -- the longest war in
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China knows the time to act is right now. They have to take Taiwan immediately. They need to officially announce themselves and Russia the new world leaders and hit Europe, UK and the US with at least a nuclear blast each to show their strength, dominance and victory.

Luckily for China, they have Biden and his family in their pockets. If Trump was there, things would have been much different today.
 
Solarion said:
China + US behind closed doors: "So this Putin problem. It's a problem, we both agree on that. So here's what we do, let's stir things up, get the war drums beating between us. This should make Putin contemplate on what happens to Russia if things really go the way of an apocalyptic shitstorm while he has a military that can't even defeat Ukraine. That should cause him re-think who he is making enemies with. Deal? Deal. Ok we'll send Pelosi here next week and you guys just lay it on nice n thick bru, sanctions, angry Twitter feeds, the ****ing works. Make it look good."
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So the US is capable of propaganda messaging in order to achieve an objective? :ROFL:
 
Paulsie said:
I know we're in China thread, but what you're saying is that if Russia withdraws from Ukraine, then regroups and ends up controlling the country, Ukraine has actually won the war?

The US was never in control in Afghanistan. The conflict never ended. That's what winning means. Their famous debacle at Kabul airport during their withdrawal is a case in point.
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Yes, they withdrew. Do you actually think they left because they didn't have the capability to fight?

They could have annihilated the entire country in a few days if they did it "Russia style".
Both the US public and the US politicians wanted an end to the war.
They were only still there to try to create a peaceful democratic state but the Afghan people are not willing to play along. So what purpose does it serve to stay there?

Paulsie said:
Even the US president disagrees with you. According to him, the war that (according to you ended on 2001) apparently only ended in 2021.

The longest war in history.

And the government they put in place could not defend themselves either. What a win!!

www.whitehouse.gov

Remarks by President Biden on the End of the War in Afghanistan | The White House

State Dining Room 3:28 P.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: Last night in Kabul, the United States ended 20 years of war in Afghanistan -- the longest war in
www.whitehouse.gov www.whitehouse.gov
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Huh? Wft are you on about now?

Really don't even know what your point is here, other than to derail.

The US military is about a thousand times more capable and powerful than the Taliban. And they are more capable and powerful than China. That's my point. Which is what I've been saying this whole time.
 
rvZA said:
China knows the time to act is right now. They have to take Taiwan immediately. They need to officially announce themselves and Russia the new world leaders and hit Europe, UK and the US with at least a nuclear blast each to show their strength, dominance and victory.

Luckily for China, they have Biden and his family in their pockets. If Trump was there, things would have been much different today.
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Think you need to call a nurse to tighten your straitjacket.
 
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