Church Book Declared Hate Speech

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The contents of a book called "Die Raadsplan" by Living Hope Ministries and its founding pastor Willie Smit amount to hate speech, the SA Human Rights Commission said on Thursday.

"It found the church publication offensive and amounting to hate speech," spokesman Isaac Mangena said.

The commission received a complaint in 2010 claiming the Free State-based church and its pastor authored and published a racially offensive book entitled "Die Raadsplan".

The complainant said the book, the church and its pastor depicted the white race as divinely ordained to be superior to and rule over all other races.

The publication was distributed to various Christian book stores in the country.

Mangena said the commission had found some parts of the book to some extent corroborated the complainant's assertions.

The pastor and his church believed they had exercised their freedom of expression, freedom of religion, belief and opinion to write and make the utterances.

However, the commission's view was that the right to freedom of expression did not extend to advocacy of hatred based on race, and that constituted incitement to cause harm.

The commission held the publication was racially discriminatory and amounted to hate speech.

It concluded that such publications were unacceptable in a free and democratic dispensation that espoused equality as its central theme.

The commission recommended that the Films and Publications Board take steps to remove the publication from all public distribution channels.

It also supported appropriate administrative and other sanctions in terms of the Films and Publications Act.

The commission held that the Institute for Race Relations at the University of the Free State, in collaboration with the Governing Council of SA Council of Churches, should engage the Living Hope Ministries church and Smit in a series of race relations sensitisation workshops.

The commission asked for a written report on the progress achieved in six months.


Source : Sapa /ag/hdw/th/dd
Date : 28 Feb 2013 16:35
 
Ah great, a precedent that we can use in court against the cANCer, whenever they make utterances that are perceived as hate speech. I guess we only have to wait a day or two for a new one.
 
Ah great, a precedent that we can use in court against the cANCer, whenever they make utterances that are perceived as hate speech. I guess we only have to wait a day or two for a new one.

It won't work. You see this guy is using Bible to justify his views (whether you believe Bible or not--even if you don't and call it ad hoc). But if you use ad hoc secular ethics (not any more valid than an hoc biblical ethics) to justify your views, these remain solid and acceptable because elites take them as consensus. But secular ethics will argue that you as a white guy, and me as a white guy who's family's taxes actually went to send AK47's to the ANC and trained/sheltered their leadership with Soviet help; we are all guilty of being slave owners, oppressors and hateful racist bigots and we have to keep on hearing it. Others get a free ride.

(All secular ethics are ad hoc. As the current modern world operates with a given assumption that the world / universe is mechanistic (materialistic) and that people are just glorified chemical reactions. Ideas don't exist if one is consistent in EM, yet particular ideas which promote tyranny are given an exemption. This system is irrational and incoherent, but people either purposefully ignore this or recognise this yet persist at it for political reasons.)
 
Ah great, a precedent that we can use in court against the cANCer, whenever they make utterances that are perceived as hate speech. I guess we only have to wait a day or two for a new one.

Some of their utterances do indeed come down to incitement of genocide. Yet the South African Human Rights Commission found it extremely difficult to condemn them.

When the Raadsplan on the other hand is only quoted in saying some not so nice things about Black people:
http://www.sahrc.org.za/home/21/files/Izak Van Niekerk vs Living Hope Ministries.pdf
Then this quite automatically becomes hate speech.
 
Excellent news. Now theres this other book filled with hate, murder and rape that they should look closely at.
 
Which book ist that?

Here some quotes from it:

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment


Ill let you work it out. Its the most commonly used book used by hate groups in the west (afaik).
 
This is what happens when people follow laws made by sand dwelling tribes that thought raping women and murdering people was "okay"
You will always have bad morals if you follow laws stuck in the past.



Frankly i'm appalled that people follow it so nonchalantly.
Stop getting brainwashed with "Zeus loves me" happy clappy songs for a second and look at the hate.

Someone who tells you to obey their laws or burn for eternity, is not love. (especially when those laws are sick and twisted, like killing people for trivial things)
 
Here some quotes from it:

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment


Ill let you work it out. Its the most commonly used book used by hate groups in the west (afaik).

When last were these laws followed to the letter? And why does this bother people who don't believe in this book?
 
When last were these laws followed to the letter? And why does this bother people who don't believe in this book?

The answer is obvious throughout many MyBroadBand threads.

Something is odd about his source, it is line (and should actually be about crime), but many things do not seem as it is in the Bible, might be the translation with many missing parts which should go along with that texts. Do not have any text with me and is not bothered to go search any.

All I can say is that Deuteronomy is generally a book about old laws, not to be in our society today.
 
Here some quotes from it:

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment


Ill let you work it out. Its the most commonly used book used by hate groups in the west (afaik).

And of course the giant glowing "elephant in the room", the book that refers to most of us a kafirs (as have some on mybb)
 
Its amazing how people who claim to be defined by logic and reason chuck those principles out the window whenever it suits them
 
it is a pathetic representation of Afrikaners. The guy are idiots,
 
Something is odd about his source, it is line (and should actually be about crime), but many things do not seem as it is in the Bible, might be the translation with many missing parts which should go along with that texts. Do not have any text with me and is not bothered to go search any.

All I can say is that Deuteronomy is generally a book about old laws, not to be in our society today.
As Space_Chief remarked previously, the dude that wrote the book condemned by the SAHRC based his writing on the bible, or rather his interpretation thereof.
 
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