Church Book Declared Hate Speech

Johnone said:
Your judgemental post presumes a lot. I use to be an atheist. I made an effort to understand and changed my ways.

Pride and arrogance will destroy a man. I write this not to attack you, but to point out, the road you are heading on leads to destruction.
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You're mistaking my disdain for the bible for pride.

You yourself said that you don't understand a lot of the bible, yet you've come to conclusion. That is not rational behaviour, and I am happy to judge it irrational.
 
I personally have never campaigned for any of those things. Nor do I impose my views on politics and the world in general.
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All well and very good, but the vast majority of the religious believers, not just of the christian faith, behave otherwise.
 
Johnone said:
I still disagree with you that there are various allowable interpretations. Only one kind of interpretation is valid, the one of love as Jesus taught. Love is the fulfilment of the law. To try to please God in any other way accept through love is invalid. Thus, a christian must love. It is non-negotionable.
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A lot also believe that Christians must unfortunately also carry negative opinions on things that in no way result in any harm for no good reason other than their deity commands it.

I'm betting you too carry a negative opinion on homosexuality for example.


I do agree with you that the OT contains many thing I don't fully understand and which appear repulsive to modern day man. The slaughtering of animals for sacrifice also seem repulsive for me. I do not deny nor defend why it happened so. But I do try to understand. And in hope I will one day fully understand.
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No as far as I can see you hold to the conclusion that it is all morally justifiable as your deity cannot do evil. You function from that stand point and in doing so discard any view to the contrary as somehow flawed despite not being able to offer any reasoning as to why it is flawed.


Jesus commands us to love one another. That is the essence of christianity and that is what we seek to do. Even love homosexuals.
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Like I said, I'm betting you have a negative opinion on homosexuality. You have this negative feeling because of your religion. Homosexuality as an act does not harm you or anyone really. Yet you respond negatively to it. Your religion brings that to the world and I don't consider it to be a blessing.

Maybe you and I will never be in agreement. But please understand, we follow Jesus and his teachings in the New Testament. Maybe you can be upset with the Jews over the things in the OT. (J/k) ;)
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I can't understand accepting nationwide infanticide as morally justifiable and I'm afraid both Christians and Jews hold to the idea that it is.


Johnone said:
What I have written is Christianity 101, as taught for 2000 years. If that makes me arrogant then so be it.
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Believing in your particular flavour doesn't make you arrogant. Regarding it as the only viable interpretation, and the one taught for 2000 years, despite the numerous denominations clearly standing in defiance of your view, then claiming you have a litmus test by which you can judge people Christian and non-Christian is arrogant.

Basically you're saying: "I understand that you have your interpretation and I have mine. I also understand that you can refer to scripture to substantiate your stance just as I can for mine. However you are wrong and I am right because I say so.".

It comes across as pretty arrogant.
 
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Guess we should come back to the subject the book (Raadsplan) and the verdict ("hate speech").
 
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ACloete said:
Guess we should come back to the subject the book (Raadsplan) and the verdict ("hate speech").
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Basically what I was trying to point out through that discussion is that it is pretty easy to find elements of the bible to incorporate into your system that will constitute hate speech.

So I'm hardly surprised. Not only has racism historically been a problem in this country but there are also interpretations of the bible that just add to the flames of racism.
 
Johnone said:
Your judgemental post presumes a lot. I use to be an atheist. I made an effort to understand and changed my ways.

Pride and arrogance will destroy a man. I write this not to attack you, but to point out, the road you are heading on leads to destruction.
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I, on the other hand, used to be a Christian. I did the bible school, lead mens ministry, was a deacon, an elder, home group leader, part of the street ministry. I was a year or so away from becoming a full time pastor when I slowly realised that its all little more than a fairy tale.
 
smallearth said:
Until everything is accomplished... i.e. he died on the cross...
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So Revelations is all just bullschit then?... Jesus isn't coming back to judge us all and this world isn't going to come to an end in some grand apocalypse or at least go through some drastic change? (I mean it can't of course because Jesus clearly said that after he had died on the cross that was the end of everything)

That is a rather unique take on Christianity you have there.
 
Madman88 said:
I, on the other hand, used to be a Christian. I did the bible school, lead mens ministry, was a deacon, an elder, home group leader, part of the street ministry. I was a year or so away from becoming a full time pastor when I slowly realised that its all little more than a fairy tale.
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Wow that's a scary story. Have you posted the full version somewhere?
 
EtienneK said:
Wow that's a scary story. Have you posted the full version somewhere?
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Yea I've written it down ( most of it anyway) , but it's not actually as juicy as it sounds and it rambles a bit. Mostly boring stuff I think, not scary at all. I may post it someday, tho there are some things that are kinda personal.
I don't hate Christianity, on the contrary. It helped me through some rough times and I appreciate the people that helped me. They really do believe what they say and are genuine in their intentions.
 
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