console vs pc

[bwana]

Honestly i would rather trust sony who know the ropes far better than mircosoft, i would spend r6000 on a console in full nowing it will last me 3 to 4 years and probibly more. AND the ps3 comes with blue-ray uints, the xbox360 just comes with dvd-rom's and then to make those people spend more you gonna need to get a HD-DVD uint, god only nows how much thos eare gonna cost!!!

After the recent rootkit debacle I could never trust Sony.

Besides - what do you want to bet that the 360 plus the HD-DVD unit still ends up costing less than the PS3?

 

[Fudzy]

oh my lord, you are living in a egg shell, dude linux has less buys then windows xp. it's got better features and comes with more, some linux are open source (which you don't even know what it is because you sit there f@#$ing around with windows) um sure its not as refined as xp and the only reason why i use windows is becuase it has the most support for gaming.

I am extremly ecited about the fact that ps3 has support on operating systems, unlike xbox360, face it with the ps3 you paying for future proofing. I mean look at the ps2, it came out in 2001 and its still making sales.

Honestly i would rather trust sony who know the ropes far better than mircosoft, i would spend r6000 on a console in full nowing it will last me 3 to 4 years and probibly more. AND the ps3 comes with blue-ray uints, the xbox360 just comes with dvd-rom's and then to make those people spend more you gonna need to get a HD-DVD uint, god only nows how much thos eare gonna cost!!!

What iteration of linux do you use? And for what?

 

[Highflyer_GP]

After the recent rootkit debacle I could never trust Sony.

Besides - what do you want to bet that the 360 plus the HD-DVD unit still ends up costing less than the PS3?

I second that - who knows what kind of rootkit and anti-piracy crap they have installed on the PS3 which might affect legitimate users.

And while blu-ray might be cool, I don't think that they've tested it enough to ensure that it doesn't stuff up after a year or two of use. They pushed for a release before xmas, and without adequate testing that's asking for trouble. One of the reasons why there's shortages of the consoles.

 

[Fudzy]

And while blu-ray might be cool, I don't think that they've tested it enough to ensure that it doesn't stuff up after a year or two of use. They pushed for a release before xmas, and without adequate testing that's asking for trouble. One of the reasons why there's shortages of the consoles.

The release hasn't exactly been overnight by any means. Have there been reports of any drive failures yet?

 

[Highflyer_GP]

The release hasn't exactly been overnight by any means. Have there been reports of any drive failures yet?

Too early to say, but there were widespread reports earlier in the year about $ony having a hard time getting blu-ray to work. I'm capped internationally at the moment otherwise I would google for the links.

 

[DigitalSoldier]

Honestly i would rather trust sony who know the ropes far better than mircosoft, i would spend r6000 on a console in full nowing it will last me 3 to 4 years and probibly more. AND the ps3 comes with blue-ray uints, the xbox360 just comes with dvd-rom's and then to make those people spend more you gonna need to get a HD-DVD uint, god only nows how much thos eare gonna cost!!!

Agreed I also wanne get a blue-ray drive, these days there are no movies at the video stores anymore that I can watch because I dont have a blue-ray player

 

[Kalvaer]

Oh the ps3 has 8 cpu's while the xbox has 3, they both are 3.2ghz tho.
to me that ps3 seems to be quite a monster but this is my thought and im still looking into whether i should upgrade my pc or for the same price get ps3

LOL where did you hear that.. the CPU part I mean...I think you might be refering to the SPE's that the PS3 have, of which there are 7.

Now anyway to answer your first question, I've been a hardcore gamer most of my life, spending a minimum of 3-4 hours a day during the week on my PC playing anything from online RPG's to old retro 1980 arcade games. 2 months ago I bought myself an Xbox because of a game due to be released called Mass Effect that I wanted to play, and is only being release on the XBOX.

I've never looked back once, I still play on my PC, but the Xbox is a nice change and the games are really incredible. The Live features of the Xbox also makes it really interesting where almost all the games have multi player options to play online. Hell my Wife has even started playing games with me now and we spend quite a bit of time playing together on the XBOX

With regards to the PS3 VS XBOX ... your going to open a can of worms there that you aint going to be able to close again, Everyone will give you pros and cons on both sides.

My take.. is the XBOX 360, at this point it can do much more than the PS3 as its going to take at least 2-3 years for the PS3's full potential to be realised, problem is 3 years in the IT industry is to much of a long wait and who knows what else will be available then. Its much cheaper than the PS3 (you will be looking at closer to 6-8k for it when it lands here btw) and its upgradable. PS3 has its Blue-Ray Drive which currently is not supported by many, its the old VCR vs BETA story, nice thing about the XBOX.. if Blue ray takes off.. Well plug a blue ray drive in.. plain and simple

But dont take my word for it, read some reviews on some of the sites here are two to start you off with

A developers take on the XBOX vs PS3: http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-348-1.htm

A full break down of the XBOX vs PS3 (please note that this link is VERY technical, but you will see what I meant by the 7 SPE.. and how they dont really work like you think and thats its only 1 CPU in the PS3) : http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1

 

[Kalvaer]

I investigated further and found that a lot of Xbox360 games have that problem.

I've never seem this once in any of my XBOX games, though I have heard of a few people that have.. Of course, I've got a crappy TV set and still saving up for a HD LCD so that might be why

But at least the tearings is being looked into, and there is even an update for the xbox out today that is looking at making things better, but its more the developers than the xbox or the game itself.. the link you posted above says that as well..

But tearing aint always a problem.. things get MUCH worse when you look at the PS3

http://www.gamebrink.com/forums/showthread.php?p=28670#post28670

This also was really funny when I saw it.. but well looks like the photo's have exceeded the max bandwidth.. Wonder if telkom is involved

http://dreamgamers.blogcindario.com/2006/11/00018-rr-6-xbox-360-versus-rr-7-ps3.html

 

[Fudzy]

Damn!! Thats nasty, that looks like artifacts.

 

[Alan]

I've never seem this once in any of my XBOX games, though I have heard of a few people that have.. Of course, I've got a crappy TV set and still saving up for a HD LCD so that might be why

But at least the tearings is being looked into, and there is even an update for the xbox out today that is looking at making things better, but its more the developers than the xbox or the game itself.. the link you posted above says that as well..

But tearing aint always a problem.. things get MUCH worse when you look at the PS3

http://www.gamebrink.com/forums/showthread.php?p=28670#post28670

This also was really funny when I saw it.. but well looks like the photo's have exceeded the max bandwidth.. Wonder if telkom is involved

http://dreamgamers.blogcindario.com/2006/11/00018-rr-6-xbox-360-versus-rr-7-ps3.html

It seems that it is up to the game developers themselves. Hopefully the type of T.V will influence the severity. Unfortunately it looks like the developers are over stretching the performance of the Xbox and as a result they sacrifice Vsync. I would rather they tone down the graphics than have "tearing".

http://www.xboxyde.com/news_3647_15118_1_en.html

 

[Kalvaer]

Unfortunately it looks like the developers are over stretching the performance of the Xbox and as a result they sacrifice Vsync. I would rather they tone down the graphics than have "tearing".

I think its more of pushing the TV's we have to limits that they cant handle..

Now if you check that technical article above I posted, the section on the GPU's reveal a very interesting little bit of information.. the GPU on the XBOX is MUCH better than the GPU on the PS3.. now if things like this happen on the XBOX.. can you even begin to imagine what will happen on the PS3... but then again.. the images I posted above already prove that.

 

[bwana]

Agreed I also wanne get a blue-ray drive, these days there are no movies at the video stores anymore that I can watch because I dont have a blue-ray player

So you're telling me that your video store only stocks blu-ray disks?

 

[nthdimension]

linux has less buys then windows xp. it's got better features and comes with more, some linux are open source (which you don't even know what it is because you sit there f@#$ing around with windows) um sure its not as refined as xp and the only reason why i use windows is becuase it has the most support for gaming.

I am extremly ecited about the fact that ps3 has support on operating systems, unlike xbox360, face it with the ps3 you paying for future proofing. I mean look at the ps2, it came out in 2001 and its still making sales.

Sometimes refinement is everything. XP has many flaws, and when it goes wrong it is usually unfixable, but quite often when you need to do a job there is a piece of software for the task which you just install and its ready to go. Linux has many technical advantages, but is sometimes seriously lacking when it comes to just running your software. If I was going to run a unix desktop I'd be more inclined to go with Apple. More expensive, but you get refinement as well as the power of unix.

It remains to be seen whether the Linux on the PS3 is of any practical value. Is it going to be current or crippled like the version on the PS2. I know the PS2 had serious hardware limitations, but Sony failed to even provide proper updates.

The PS2 continues to sell because it has a vast game library. There's something in there for almost every taste.

Just because blu-ray and hd-DVD might be getting geeks all wet does not mean we'll be seeing them readily available on rental shelves anytime soon.

For now the PS3 is technically unavailable. Is there anywhere in the world where you can just walk into a shop and buy one? How soon will Sony have a steady supply available.

Microsoft did the right thing by getting their console to the market ahead of Sony. And they were right to keep the price down rather than trying to put out something much more powerful at a much higher price. As we can see on these forums it is already making inroads into a market that Sony has effectively owned since the release of the original Playstation.

Sony has given the consumer many reasons not to trust them. Arguably so has Microsoft.

Ultimately it is about the games. I'll go with whatever hardware gives me the games I want to play. Right now the PS3 has nothing versus a couple that interest me on the XBox 360. Why buy an extremely expensive piece of hardware now when I can get it cheaper later when it actually has some games? To run linux?

If you want ease of use get a console. To decide what console to buy you should first pick your games.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Someone mentioned about the PS3 having 8 cpu's and the Xbox only having 3...

While i spose it is technically right, they are just different cores, but it also ignores HOW those cores are built and for their functions, the Xbox's 3 cores are all basically identical General Purpose cores, whereas the SPE's on the PS3 are very highly specialised and it will take a while before they can be utilised fully, if they're that good for games because they're highly efficient at FP operations, but not the more general purpose stuff which currently is alot more useful in coding for games from what I've been able to find out.

I will say that we can only really determine which is the best console after both have been around for a 2 years or so, once the developers have had time to get comfortable with the architectures.

One thing i do wish is that ppl would move away from the whole CPU speed bull... its nowhere nearly as important anymore..... would the dual core P4 3.2Ghz be better than the 2.4Ghz Core2Duo I've just bought?

 

[DigitalSoldier]

So you're telling me that your video store only stocks blu-ray disks?

Yip its that new store that new store that opened called sarcasm read the post that i quote

 

[killadoob]

rofl dude i thought you where being serious i was like wtf?

hahaha good on digital

 

[chiskop]

Yip its that new store that new store that opened called sarcasm read the post that i quote

Yeah, it's the *best* video store.

 

[redarrow]

oh my lord, you are living in a egg shell, dude linux has less buys then windows xp. it's got better features and comes with more, some linux are open source (which you don't even know what it is because you sit there f@#$ing around with windows) um sure its not as refined as xp and the only reason why i use windows is becuase it has the most support for gaming.

I can't understand why I keep seeing this...
Linux is always open source no matter which distro ... there is no such thing as a closed source version of Linux - never will be, it would be in direct violation of the GPL...

Yep, I know about "commercial distro's" - these are nothing more than normal open source distro's bundled alongside with some propriety software... the actual Linux OS itself is still open source though.

Sorry for interupting... just had to point that out

 

[bwana]

Yip its that new store that new store that opened called sarcasm read the post that i quote

Sorry - sometimes its just hard to tell the difference around here between sarcasm and stupidity.

 

[Kalvaer]

I will say that we can only really determine which is the best console after both have been around for a 2 years or so, once the developers have had time to get comfortable with the architectures.

Even so, the SPE's mentioned for the PS3 are all marketing BS, look deeper into how they are used and you will see that no Developer will be able to use all 8 and might battle at this point to use 6.

To quote Micheal Perry from this link: http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1

The PS3’s cell processor has 1 Power PC core similar to that of the 3 Power PC cores sustaining the 360’s 3 core design (without the vmx-128 enhancements available on each of the 360’s cores) and 7 SPE (synergistic processing element). The 8th is disabled to improve yields. One of the SPE is used to run the PS3’s operating system while the other 6 are available for games. The reason the PS3’s CPU will be significantly more difficult to program for is because the CPU is asymmetric, unlike the 360’s CPU. Because of the PS3 CPU only having 1 PPE compared to the 360’s 3, all game control, scripting, AI and other branch intensive code will need to be crammed into two threads which share a very narrow execution core and no instruction window. The cell’s SPE will be unable to help out here as they are not as robust; hence, not fit for accelerating things such as AI, as it’s fairly branch intensive and the SPE lacks branch prediction capability entirely.