Moederloos
Honorary Master
Well, with the quotas they are bandying around, that aint gonna happen.
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Well, with the quotas they are bandying around, that aint gonna happen.
Brazil does not have some of the cheapest coal in the world, around 85% of their power is derived from hydro. The shortages were as a direct result of a serious drought so the government claimed at the time. Many experts predicted the shortages 10 years in advance and were critical of the governments dependance on hydro for power.
Fines were as high as 300% reading some articles. I can see the profiteering already, no crystal ball required.
Why emerging markets will always be emerging markets, poor planning.
China crank out coal power stations at a rate of 1 per week.
The_Unbeliever
Honorary Master
Reminds myself of Age of Empires
But maybe we should get a team of Chinese in here and have them build a couple of power stations?
Four weeks should be enough for four new plants
(but I really know that it takes ages to get a plant up and running
)Moederloos
Honorary Master
Why is power "more stable" today - when they got their quota system sort-of-approved?
Was all this month an excuse to push it through?
"Eish - we could not get 18.7%, so lets find another way to get more money"
Was all this month an excuse to push it through?
"Eish - we could not get 18.7%, so lets find another way to get more money"
McSack
Executive Member
Also read somewhere that economic growth in Brazil shrank to under 2% for that period and Brazilians were so pissed that the government of the day were toast in the very next elections
Quite amusing you think that anyone would even consider it possibleReminds myself of Age of Empires
But maybe we should get a team of Chinese in here and have them build a couple of power stations?
Four weeks should be enough for four new plants
(but I really know that it takes ages to get a plant up and running
The point is not the number, or the net result of how many are commissioned and how often, the point is that their was some rudimentary foresight to deliver the power to feed their rapidly growing economy.
Moederloos
Honorary Master
Sadly, the latter wont happen here, while the former is a very real possibility.
kaspaas
Expert Member
Brazil required quotas for a few months, not 10 years +.
Moederloos
Honorary Master
Well, not one forumite has yet said they agree to the quotas.
And we do have a diverse group here.
I wonder if ekskommel bothered to leave their boardroom to conduct this survey?
And we do have a diverse group here.
I wonder if ekskommel bothered to leave their boardroom to conduct this survey?
The_Unbeliever
Honorary Master
Brainwashing .... like the Radio stations do to make a song seem better than it is. A case example : Freshly Ground, Mandoza etc etc.. (Sorry to say, if you liked it, the Radio stations won their battle to convince you **** was gold.)
Repeat a sentence enough times and in the end you will believe it. Media manipulation and propaganda.
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The_Unbeliever
Honorary Master
Moederloos
Honorary Master
Ok - chew on this.
The quota seems to be an average usage per month less some magical percentage.
So, let us say over the last 3 months you AVERAGE 1000Kw per month.
They take 10% off of that, and say "Here YOU can use 900Kw"
Now, here is the rub.
Those of us who are frugal and have already being "towing the line" by using less, are going to be unfairly prejudiced.
We do not have a geyser we can now turn off - it is already being turned off.
We do not have lights we can turn off when not in use - we already have them off.
We already boil the kettle with just enough water for one cup of tea.
We have already switched to energy efficient lights.
We already hibernate our PCs at night (I never used to - I have even posted on this forum that I never would "stoop that low" - but I have for the last week or so).
So - please, tell me - just how on earth am I going to economise now?
My neighbour will have no problem - he does none of the above, and has plenty of room to move.
The quota seems to be an average usage per month less some magical percentage.
So, let us say over the last 3 months you AVERAGE 1000Kw per month.
They take 10% off of that, and say "Here YOU can use 900Kw"
Now, here is the rub.
Those of us who are frugal and have already being "towing the line" by using less, are going to be unfairly prejudiced.
We do not have a geyser we can now turn off - it is already being turned off.
We do not have lights we can turn off when not in use - we already have them off.
We already boil the kettle with just enough water for one cup of tea.
We have already switched to energy efficient lights.
We already hibernate our PCs at night (I never used to - I have even posted on this forum that I never would "stoop that low" - but I have for the last week or so).
So - please, tell me - just how on earth am I going to economise now?
My neighbour will have no problem - he does none of the above, and has plenty of room to move.
The_Unbeliever
Honorary Master
They can go suck balls.
I'm NOT going to cut down more because I can't - and if they try their capping **** with myself, then I'm gonna sic the HSRC, public protector AND a lawyer on them, and see how they like that.
Moederloos
Honorary Master
That is exactly the problem - the "good guys" again get the short end of the stick.
I am utterly beyond caring for this "nation" anymore - nothing I do is ever good enough, and, even when I try do the right thing, I get "sausaged" in the gat.
Moederloos
Honorary Master
It is not likely to be a "cap" though.
What will happen is the first 900 (as per my example) will be at 55c a unit, and the rest that you use that month will be at R2.50 a unit. (examples sucked from my thumb)
What will happen is the first 900 (as per my example) will be at 55c a unit, and the rest that you use that month will be at R2.50 a unit. (examples sucked from my thumb)
Exactly.
And how will that help demand exceeding supply during peak periods, anyway?
It doesnt... its retro-active and a financial penalty if exceeded. Its the same as hanging a fat steak in front of your dog and then beating it up 'cos it took a bite.
Moederloos
Honorary Master
Oh - it wont. Even if every consumer switches off his geyser when he goes to work, the difference is negligible. Might buy us 6 months.
And, in order to meet the quota, people will economise at home when they are there, which is outside peak hours anyway (as you rightly said).
This is nothing more than a ploy to get from the 14% they were given to the 18.7% they wanted.
And it is a FU to each and every person like me who has been economising down to the bone for the last 2-3 months.
That dude that also is on Super Saterday now and again, his songs SUCK!!!!!!, should stick to jingles.