Cops caught on camera 'executing' criminal (WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT)

Cicero said:
That escalated quickly.
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Everyone in here is saying this was acceptable.
The cops in Mexico, Brazil, etc. gun innocent and guilty people down regularly.
If they are in a gun fight they shoot without any concern.
 
Electric said:
Everyone in here is saying this was acceptable.
The cops in Mexico, Brazil, etc. gun innocent and guilty people down regularly.
If they are in a gun fight they shoot without any concern.
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Difference being in S.A we have the SAPS, the main and only real crime fighting agency serving the state and the public.
Population: 55 Million

In countries like Brazil and Mexico they have 4, 5 or more seperate police agencies serving the country.

In Brazil 3 types of Federal Police, plus Military Police (not to be confused with those that service the Military services) and Civil Police.
Population: 202 Million
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_Brazil

In Mexico 3 Federal Police services plus State police for each of the countries 31 States.
Population: 120 Million
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_Mexico

Both countries suffer with heavily armed drug cartels that carry the most sophisticated weapons, and certainly dont shirk from using them, so it is understandable that a certain amount of innocents get caught up in the anti-crime operations and engagements.

There are three internationally accepted criteria for assessing whether police are abusing lethal force,

First is the relation between the number of civilians killed by police to the number of police killed in action (as above), i.e. how much worse are civilians coming off during clashes with security forces? When the number of dead civilians to police rises above a certain proportion, it can be concluded police are killing too much. The maximum acceptable proportion according to the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is 12 civilians killed for every police officer killed. International organizations deem 10 to one the maximum acceptable ration

The second criteria is the proportion of civilians killed by police compared to injured by police. In theory the number injured should be far higher, said the study; if not it can be assumed the police are not just using lethal force to protect civilians, but for other purposes.

The final criteria examines the number of civilians killed by police compared to the total number of homicides. If the number killed by police accounts for a high proportion of total homicides, police are probably using excessive lethal force.

Overall in Brazil this figure was not overly high -- civilians killed by police accounted for about 4 percent of the more than 50,000 total murders in 2012 (compared to a percentage of 3.6 percent over five years in the United States, according to a 2010 study cited by the Forum report)
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http://www.insightcrime.org/news-analysis/why-do-brazilian-police-kill
 
Nanfeishen said:
Difference being in S.A we have the SAPS, the main and only real crime fighting agency serving the state and the public.
Population: 55 Million

In countries like Brazil and Mexico they have 4, 5 or more seperate police agencies serving the country.

In Brazil 3 types of Federal Police, plus Military Police (not to be confused with those that service the Military services) and Civil Police.
Population: 202 Million
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_Brazil

In Mexico 3 Federal Police services plus State police for each of the countries 31 States.
Population: 120 Million
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_Mexico

Both countries suffer with heavily armed drug cartels that carry the most sophisticated weapons, and certainly dont shirk from using them, so it is understandable that a certain amount of innocents get caught up in the anti-crime operations and engagements.


http://www.insightcrime.org/news-analysis/why-do-brazilian-police-kill
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Interesting read.
What has this got to do with the fact that our Cops are executing people?

My point still stands, in violent societies the police do messed up ****.
This is a perfect example.
 
Electric said:
Interesting read.
What has this got to do with the fact that our Cops are executing people?

My point still stands, in violent societies the police do messed up ****.
This is a perfect example.
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Cops take out violent armed criminals and remove them from the street by whatever means , arrest or shoot , it is as simple as that.

Thats their duty, protect Joe Citizen from the immediate or any possibilty of future harm at the hands of the perpetrator.

When an individual takes up a weapon or firearm with the intent to cause terror, harm or injury to another person for the purpose of or in the course of some criminal activity, they forfeit their right to a civilized response.
Including and up to being shot while fleeing, bleeding or while laying dying.

I regard violent gun crime as nothing less than domestic terrorism, and have no sympathy for any such individual who gets shot, or who is removed from society permanently by the police under any circumstance.
 
Legal question aside. Did the end justify the means, on account of the event that preceded the demise of the suspect, indeed an ethically vexed question.
 
Mephisto_Helix said:
that's what is so ridiculous ...... all the idiotic comparisons.
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Only explanation is it's the criminal is a victim mentality again. If you think this cop executed a "victim" then yeah it isn't such a stretch to think soon he'll be executing minor criminals or innocent people.
 
I don't understand how so many of you can excuse this.
Because our justice system and the police are a total sham does not mean we need to start executing people.
Kangaroo courts are frowned upon yet here we are condoning similar actions.
 
Weird thing is nobody has the full story. In the video the other guy drove off and nobody stopped him. The officers were off duty and parked along the street. Were they buying groceries? Interviewed witness didn't mention an attempted robbery but said he took out a gun and started shooting the police car about 60 meters down the road. He runs and an officer shoots him again even though he's clearly incapacitated, and the gun is on the ground.

No wonder his brother wants answers.
 
Watching the longer video, who was responsible for the bullets hitting the wall on the left hand side of the shot.
 
Electric said:
I don't understand how so many of you can excuse this.
Because our justice system and the police are a total sham does not mean we need to start executing people.
Kangaroo courts are frowned upon yet here we are condoning similar actions.
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Not sure what's so hard to understand. People are tired of being terrorized by violent criminals.
 
Electric said:
So we should execute them without a trial?
We should just gun them down?
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Given the alternative option is being gunned down themselves that seems be the prevailing opinion yes.
 
Electric said:
Interesting.
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What's more likely to happen in the future this cop shooting somebody for littering or alternatively this criminal going to prison for a while before coming out and killing somebody while breaking into their home?
 
Alan said:
What's more likely to happen in the future this cop shooting somebody for littering or alternatively this criminal going to prison for a while before coming out and killing somebody while breaking into their home?
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That's hardly the point.
I'm not denying this guy is clearly a violent criminal, I don't however condone executions on the street.
 
Electric said:
That's hardly the point.
I'm not denying this guy is clearly a violent criminal, I don't however condone executions on the street.
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Well, we wouldn't have to do it in the street if we could do it after a trial.
 
Electric said:
That's hardly the point.
I'm not denying this guy is clearly a violent criminal, I don't however condone executions on the street.
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Actually that's exactly the point. You want to understand why people condone executions and that's why. They conclude less people will be victims of violence with the execution than the alternative of this criminal being allowed to roam the streets.
 
Good job... we have far too many police officers being killed annually by trash like this. Someone shoots at a cop, cop needs to shoot to kill, end of story. And yes, when he's down, walk up and put one in his head to make sure he stays down.
 
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