Crack down on Google: Microsoft

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Crack down on Google, asks Microsoft

Microsoft began the new year harping on a favorite theme: The software maker is arguing that government regulators need to crack down on Google to preserve fair competition in the Internet and smartphone markets.
 
Sounds fair to me.... Google has the ability to, and as we all know too well, has been subtly pushing users away from everyone else and towards them. Not that I have anything against Google.
 
I think MS do not like the competition, in a market that they dominated once. For now, I will side with Google on this one, unless it is proved they are as bad as MS. But good for them if they are getting MS' attention, it is a market begging for decent competition.

It will be interesting to see if Google ever replaces MS, and becomes as hated as MS is (or appears to be).

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Bismuth said:
I think MS do not like the competition, in a market that they dominated once. For now, I will side with Google on this one, unless it is proved they are as bad as MS. But good for them if they are getting MS' attention, it is a market begging for decent competition.

It will be interesting to see if Google ever replaces MS, and becomes as hated as MS is (or appears to be).

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The problem here is that this specific market is very much dominated by Google, and they're making the services available to everyone except MS. This has antitrust written all over it, and it's now the 2nd such incident from Google in 1 month.
 
Frikkenator said:
The problem here is that this specific market is very much dominated by Google, and they're making the services available to everyone except MS. This has antitrust written all over it, and it's now the 2nd such incident from Google in 1 month.
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Ok, if this indeed the case, then Google must be taken to task for it. If MS have legitimate reasons for bashing Google this time, then it must be done. Most of that activity sounds "anti-trust"-like, maybe even a bit of price-fixing, but let them investigate it, and if it's proved to be the case, nail Google.

But I can't help wondering how much of a crybaby over Google's success, and just in some case those complaints happen to be legitimate.

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Bismuth said:
Ok, if this indeed the case, then Google must be taken to task for it. If MS have legitimate reasons for bashing Google this time, then it must be done. Most of that activity sounds "anti-trust"-like, maybe even a bit of price-fixing, but let them investigate it, and if it's proved to be the case, nail Google.

But I can't help wondering how much of a crybaby over Google's success, and just in some case those complaints happen to be legitimate.

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Yeah these things are often just a bunch of crybabies, but remember that in this case we're talking about MS, who's still bigger than Google; I don't think this is 'n crybaby thing. If you look at how MS was nailed with antitrust rulings during the past 15 years, and then look at what the likes of Apple and now Google have gotten away with recently, you've got to wonder why no action is taken.
 
The_Librarian said:
Pot. Kettle. Black.
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Not really, looking at Google Play, it seems that Microsoft is releasing apps on Android. There is even information about Microsoft Office spreading to the other 2.

I think the big problem here is that Microsoft doesn't know how to deal with competition it can not buy, in the past they had a simple strategy: If you can not compete, buy it and incorporate/kill it, something that you can not do with Open Source and its scaring the living **** out of them.

Hell even there old FUD tacktics does not seem to be working. So only route is to call mommy and say they do not wanna play your games with you, as we see above.

We will have to wait and see if mommy listens to both or just tell Google to be nice without looking at all the information. (Fat32 anyone?)
 
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I regularly think about just how big Google's services are and how there is hardly any competition at this stage. They are a monopoly and I think they know it, and like it.

I'm not saying that Microsoft is innocent, but if things aren't being done properly, then there should be investigations.

It's scary when I talk to people and they think that Google 'IS' the internet. They first go to google before any other sites as they think that's the only way to get there.
 
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AlphaJohn said:
Not really, looking at Google Play, it seems that Microsoft is releasing apps on Android. There is even information about Microsoft Office spreading to the other 2.

I think the big problem here is that Microsoft doesn't know how to deal with competition it can not buy, in the past they had a simple strategy: If you can not compete, buy it and incorporate/kill it, something that you can not do with Open Source and its scaring the living **** out of them.

Hell even there old FUD tacktics does not seem to be working. So only route is to call mommy and say they do not wanna play your games with you, as we see above.

We will have to wait and see if mommy listens to both or just tell Google to be nice without looking at all the information. (Fat32 anyone?)
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This has nothing to do with open source or Google's willingness to build WP apps. Microsoft has already built a YouTube app for WP themselves, but Google is refusing them legal access to the YouTube API, which is open to everyone else.
 
Google's search presence doesn't actually concern me overly much. Of course they're going to direct results for consumer goods, what else did you think would happen? It's their forays into other markets that always strikes me as vampiric - they take profitable businesses, clone them and sell them for free, and somehow hope to direct profits in through the back door. It all seems very unstable to me.
 
Frikkenator said:
This has nothing to do with open source or Google's willingness to build WP apps. Microsoft has already built a YouTube app for WP themselves, but Google is refusing them legal access to the YouTube API, which is open to everyone else.
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Hmmmm wonder what this is then?

https://developers.google.com/youtube/2.0/developers_guide_dotnet

Edit: oh and looking at https://developers.google.com/youtube/terms
There is nothing that is blocking Microsoft explicitly, or am I missing something?
Even better the API's is covered by Apache License, Version 2.0(Open Source) and show me anything there that says Microsoft as a company is not allowed to use it?
 
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Frikkenator said:
This has nothing to do with open source or Google's willingness to build WP apps. Microsoft has already built a YouTube app for WP themselves, but Google is refusing them legal access to the YouTube API, which is open to everyone else.
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Who is everyone else?
 
Bismuth said:
It will be interesting to see if Google ever replaces MS, and becomes as hated as MS is (or appears to be).
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Has Microsoft ever given you navigation maps for free, or allowed you to do a virtual tour of a museum, or a coral reef?

Exactly. Google also need to make money (surprise, surprise), and they will make most if they know/can predict what you'll most likely gonna search for and want. It's what they do best.

And people saying "I'll see what they do next, then I might pull the plug on them' are just the biggest dumb asses on this planet.

I trust Google more than I trust any other IT company.
 
Pooky said:
It's scary when I talk to people and they think that Google 'IS' the internet. They first go to google before any other sites as they think that's the only way to get there.
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Those people who go to google first and then search for facebook or twitter... It is not google's fault that you know people like that.

It is not Google's fault I prefer Gmail to Yahoo mail, or hotmail, or Windows live... It is not Google's fault I stopped using Altavista, Ask Jeeves, Lycos, Search.com etc... It is not Google's fault that I have gone across to Chrome.
 
Vis1/0N said:
It is not Google's fault I prefer Gmail to Yahoo mail, or hotmail, or Windows live... It is not Google's fault I stopped using Altavista, Ask Jeeves, Lycos, Search.com etc... It is not Google's fault that I have gone across to Chrome.
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Actually all of those ARE Google's fault, because in each case they made something better than the competition.
 
Mouse said:
Actually all of those ARE Google's fault, because in each case they made something better than the competition.
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And I love Google Chrome! I've got everything synced from my desktop to my Android phone, to my work laptop, everything! :love:

Am I a bad person?
 
The elephant in the room is Microsoft that produces crappy bug-riddled software that pisses people off, as a result Microsoft finds itself incapable of competing and the solution is that Microsoft needs to fix itself instead of trying to drag Google down to Microsoft's level of retardation.
 
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