Creation over Evolution

[Highflyer_GP]

Wrong! Religion is based on what people thought to be fact.

please explain what you mean by this? to me it seems like your perception of religion is different from other peoples perceptions. in other words, religion isn't based on morality, word of God, path to enlightenment etc etc.? but on what people of the time thought to be fact?
by stating this you then completely agree that religion is based on people of the times perceived notions as to what their own ideals were. so cool, we both on the same page that religion is a complete hoax based on what people thought to be true

 

[mooK]

Ramen, Jubalani!

 

[Prometheus]

Could you please tell us then what you believe evolution to be. Define it, as you see it, for us.

Why should I define it. You clearly seem to know more about it since you think that it has been proven as an absolute fact that humans evolved from apes. If that was the case then that piece evidence you seem to have discovered would have made headlines in all languages around the world.

Perhaps you could explain it to me. What does religion (any one you choose to explain) say about the beggining of life? If you could give your side it may help me understand.

Read Genesis. You'll immediately see it doesn't claim to know all the facts, unlike you.

It is indeed a parody. The question though is what makes it any less valid as a religion than any of the mainstream religions out there?

You really don't seem to get this, so now I'm going to spell it out to you not in letters, but as in the lines and curves that make them. A religion is something that someone actually believes in. Do you really think the people who put up that site believe any of what they wrote there? It practically screams out the words "I am mocking God and Christ".

 

[pupa]

Too many heretics in this country! No wonder this country is in such a mess. It will only get worse as they run the GVT so they look after themselves not the citizens!
Im outta this thread. Said my piece. PEACE!

 

[mooK]

This thread makes me sad.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

Too many heretics in this country! No wonder this country is in such a mess. It will only get worse as they run the GVT so they look after themselves not the citizens!
Im outta this thread. Said my piece. PEACE!

Prometheus do you agree with this? you guys want respect from non-believers but dont want to return the favour? so in other words people not conforming to any religion are responsible for events taking place in this country? should i bring up the witch hunts and murdering of women carried out by religious organisations during the 1600's? murder is murder. by the way pupa, if i recall correctly most people in government conform to christianity. an overwhelming majority of the country's population is christian. have a look at the population census and do some proper research before commenting on something like this

 

[Prometheus]

I agree that the people that run the government are a bunch of idiots that only look after themselves and doesn't give a dahm about the citizens. Whether they are religious, non-religious, white, black, coloured, pink, purple or even martian I don't give a dahm as they are for the most part self serving bastards. Does that answer your question?

 

[pupa]

Prometheus do you agree with this? you guys want respect from non-believers but dont want to return the favour? so in other words people not conforming to any religion are responsible for events taking place in this country? should i bring up the witch hunts and murdering of women carried out by religious organisations during the 1600's? murder is murder. by the way pupa, if i recall correctly most people in government conform to christianity. an overwhelming majority of the country's population is christian. have a look at the population census and do some proper research before commenting on something like this

Hey PAL it was the non believers or Anti Christs that started calling up all the crap referring to religion as a basis of creativity and mocking not respecting the beliefs of others and started to make derogatory comments! Nobody here stated that Genesis or the world religions is the truth as written in the Bible, which use many story''s to make a point. A guide rather than a document claiming to be 100% correct. The fact that it lasted for 2000 Years + and is still highly regarded by billions speaks for itself! I for one do not believe that everything literally, there are things that have to still become clear to whoever reads the book. I believe there was a major intervention in the Evolution process that allowed us to be created. Ditto . By whom or what superior being is still open for debate! That does not make me a non believer it actually strenthens my belief in the supernatural events that took place eons ago. There were some other threads on the same topic, go back and read them if you are so interested.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

i agree with that, but pupa's comment seems to imply that if you aren't religious then you're the one responsible for screwing the country up. point is respect works both ways. there's no such thing as everybody should be treated equal, but some people are more equal than others. question is, do you as a believer agree with him. do you think its right to label and generalise people in that manner? i certainly don't and i take offense to being blamed for the mishaps of the country.

 

[Prometheus]

please explain what you mean by this? to me it seems like your perception of religion is different from other peoples perceptions. in other words, religion isn't based on morality, word of God, path to enlightenment etc etc.? but on what people of the time thought to be fact?
by stating this you then completely agree that religion is based on people of the times perceived notions as to what their own ideals were. so cool, we both on the same page that religion is a complete hoax based on what people thought to be true

Again you seem to be twisting around everything I say to accomodate your own belief. So I will spell it out for you as well. Moses saw proof that God exists (you can't prove He doesn't) so he wrote it down for us. That is the basis of my religion. Does that mean there's indisputable proof that God exists? No, but I still belief He does.

There's no indisputable proof for evolution either, yet you belief in it. So I shall call it a hoax, which is what you just called religion. If this is not true then please explain to me why you are not a hypocrite.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

Hey PAL it was the non believers or Anti Christs that started calling up all the crap referring to religion as a basis of creativity and mocking not respecting the beliefs of others and started to make derogatory comments! Nobody here stated that Genesis or the world religions is the truth as written in the Bible, which use many story''s to make a point. A guide rather than a document claiming to be 100% correct. The fact that it lasted for 2000 Years + and is still highly regarded by billions speaks for itself! I for one do not believe that everything literally, there are things that have to still become clear to whoever reads the book. I believe there was a major intervention in the Evolution process that allowed us to be created. Ditto . By whom or what superior being is still open for debate! That does not make me a non believer it actually strenthens my belief in the supernatural events that took place eons ago. There were some other threads on the same topic, go back and read them if you are so interested.

it wasn't me mocking anything, so i'd appreciate not being classified into a certain group and generalised upon to an extent where im directly one of the people to blame for messing up the country. as i said, i respect everyones beliefs regardless of whether or not i agree with them. and respect works both ways, want me to respect your beliefs then please return the favour and respect mine. calling me anti-christ and damning me based on my belief shows very little acknowledgement and respect for my beliefs, but more as a way of making you feel better about your own.

im out of this thread, if one cant hold an intelligent discussion, theres no need to resort to becoming personal in order to make oneself feel better about themselves and their beliefs. this is a sign of insecurity and i suggest that anyone resorting to such tactics seek help. cheers people

 

[pupa]

i agree with that, but pupa's comment seems to imply that if you aren't religious then you're the one responsible for screwing the country up. point is respect works both ways. there's no such thing as everybody should be treated equal, but some people are more equal than others. question is, do you as a believe agree with him. do you think its right to label and generalise people in that manner? i certainly don't and i take offense to being blamed for the mishaps of the country.

Nope not what I said. It's in Your mind read my Signature, it explains all!
It is a known fact that anarchy breeds where there is no belief, that means if PPL believes their existence in meaningless!

 

[pupa]

it wasn't me mocking anything, so i'd appreciate not being classified into a certain group and generalised upon to an extent where im directly one of the people to blame for messing up the country. as i said, i respect everyones beliefs regardless of whether or not i agree with them. and respect works both ways, want me to respect your beliefs then please return the favour and respect mine. calling me anti-christ and damning me based on my belief shows very little acknowledgement and respect for my beliefs, but more as a way of making you feel better about your own.

im out of this thread, if one cant hold an intelligent discussion, theres no need to resort to becoming personal in order to make oneself feel better about themselves and their beliefs. this is a sign of insecurity and i suggest that anyone resorting to such tactics seek help. cheers people

I did not say who did the mocking, That is clear in the thread! Gawd if someone do not believe in christ he must be an antichrist, Have I missed something? I did not blame anyone messing up the country I was making a comment based on if all rulez and beliefs fall away tere is no hope Ditto.
Again read my signature for clarity

 

[Prometheus]

i agree with that, but pupa's comment seems to imply that if you aren't religious then you're the one responsible for screwing the country up. point is respect works both ways. there's no such thing as everybody should be treated equal, but some people are more equal than others. question is, do you as a believe agree with him. do you think its right to label and generalise people in that manner? i certainly don't and i take offense to being blamed for the mishaps of the country.

Agree with you completely. If people are idiots then they are idiots regardless of their religion or lack thereof. But God does tell us to spread His gospel to those who don't belief. God gives them the choice to believe it or not. It's called free will and Gods own law seems to forbid Him from taking it away and making this world perfect.

 

[pupa]

Well I hope it end all here now. Religion were not the Topic Creativity versus Evolution is the topic. There is creations going on in the labs worlwide now and the subject came about where the USA is allowing this as a viable alternative to be explorered in the classroom. It is possible to create a human being and an animal for that matter. Proven facts. Who has done in in history is a story still to be verified! I have my beliefs and so have others.

 

[icyrus]

Why should I define it.

Because I don't think you understand it.

You clearly seem to know more about it since you think that it has been proven as an absolute fact that humans evolved from apes. If that was the case then that piece evidence you seem to have discovered would have made headlines in all languages around the world.

It would be helpful if you defined what you believed it to be. Evolution is a fact. The Theory of Evolution however is a theory. Its clear you dont know the difference but thats not my problem.

Read Genesis. You'll immediately see it doesn't claim to know all the facts, unlike you.

I never claimed to know the facts. The reason I asked you was so that we could be on the same page and understand the starting points on either side and have an intelligent conversation about it. Perhaps that was my mistake. It seems rather than having a conversation, you are far happier just to attack those you don't agree with.

You really don't seem to get this, so now I'm going to spell it out to you not in letters, but as in the lines and curves that make them. A religion is something that someone actually believes in. Do you really think the people who put up that site believe any of what they wrote there? It practically screams out the words "I am mocking God and Christ".

It is a parody, but your ability to constantly miss the points people are making to you makes me wonder if you are really here to discuss your point of view or if you are just another one of the thousands of nameless, faceless internet trolls.

Now, you can rant and rave and call me whatever you like, but when you are ready to grow up - put your point across in a civilized manner and actually hear what other people say rather than just waiting for your turn to speak - I will be here.

 

[mooK]

Again read my signature for clarity

Pupa, could you please rephrase your signature to it actually makes some sense, the grammar is incorrect and it's simply incomprehensible. Please do so, for clarity.

Wikipedia definition for antichrist:

"In Christian eschatology, the Antichrist has come to mean a person, image of a person, or other entity that is the embodiment of evil and utterly opposed to truth, while convincingly disguised as wholly good and a bringer of truth."

Now, that's fcking insulting to call someone the antichrist just because he's not religious so you're way out of line, for the love of God, man, have some decency.

Well I hope it end all here now. Religion were not the Topic Creativity versus Evolution is the topic. There is creations going on in the labs worlwide now and the subject came about where the USA is allowing this as a viable alternative to be explorered in the classroom. It is possible to create a human being and an animal for that matter. Proven facts. Who has done in in history is a story still to be verified! I have my beliefs and so have others.

The argument was creation vs evolution, not creativity, get a dictionary and look up the difference. It comes down to a question of science vs religion. Creationism is basicaly the belief that God created the universe or whatever, and obviously there a few scientific theoretical alternatives to this belief.

 

[Prometheus]

The argument was creation vs religion, not creativity, get a dictionary and look up the difference. It comes down to a question of science vs religion. Creationism is basicaly the belief that God created the universe or whatever, and obviously there a few scientific theoretical alternatives to this belief.

Nope, you're both wrong. Look at the title of this thread. It's creation vs evolution.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

i know i promised not to post again until a sense of maturity returns, but this will definitely be the last one until that stage arrives.
@pupa: an antichrist is not a non-believer, it's an evil person who commits evil deeds in the disguise of a good person. this is your religion yet i have to provide you with definitions? please do some research before posting drivel like that. also you seem to be fascinated with your signature by asking everyone to refer to it in order to try and prove a point, how about i refer you to mine

atheists and agnostics seem to know alot more about religions than people who actually follow it. how about listening to the other side of the arguement, you may actually learn something. it's not our intention to convert you, thats something better left for religious organisations. it's our intention to educate you as to why we choose the path that we did. if you cant accept that or its beyond your comprehension then thats your choice. so take care and i'll return when things are back to normal

Nope, you're both wrong. Look at the title of this thread. It's creation vs evolution.

i think thats what he meant

[EDIT]

I called nobody the antichrist. If you are anti you are anti that was never the meaning and if it is so offensive I will edit it. Iam not an Wiki expert and if it became the meaning of anything do not blame me. Thanks for correcting me . FOR the record I did not say anybody IS THE Antichrist. Thats in the mind! and not my meaning

i refer you to your previous post

Gawd if someone do not believe in christ he must be an antichrist

 

[pupa]

Pupa, could you please rephrase your signature to it actually makes some sense, the grammar is incorrect and it's simply incomprehensible. Please do so, for clarity.

Wikipedia definition for antichrist:

"In Christian eschatology, the Antichrist has come to mean a person, image of a person, or other entity that is the embodiment of evil and utterly opposed to truth, while convincingly disguised as wholly good and a bringer of truth."

Now, that's fcking insulting to call someone the antichrist just because he's not religious so you're way out of line, for the love of God, man, have some decency.



The argument was creation vs religion, not creativity, get a dictionary and look up the difference. It comes down to a question of science vs religion. Creationism is basicaly the belief that God created the universe or whatever, and obviously there a few scientific theoretical alternatives to this belief.

I called nobody the antichrist. If you are anti you are anti that was never the meaning and if it is so offensive I will edit it. Iam not an Wiki expert and if it became the meaning of anything do not blame me. Thanks for correcting me tho . FOR the record I did not say anybody IS THE Antichrist. Thats in the mind! and not my meaning


Again you state the meaning of creationism as creation The whole point were made as a religious connotation by the non believers that started mocking the believers as a religion. Read the thread from the start again!

Again I am not an Englishman. Please correct the syntax and I will edit it with pleasure else the content is clear to me and it will stay in my signature!