Creation over Evolution

[mooK]

Why is it then so inconceivable to believe that someone in past history have not created the human being as we know him today as apposed to the unlikely event of evolution (as chance) as claimed by Darwin. Time is off essence here, evolution takes millions of years) and thus I believe creation have a higher probability than evolution of how and why we exists as humans exists today!

If above is conceivable why then is it unlikely that the human was created by some interference in the past! By a "God" or the other? or alternate what have accelerated nature so much that everything dinosaur disappeared and the human changed from Neantherdal to Intelligent beings in such a short time-span opposing evolutionary principals as a whole!

It is not inconceivable, that's why millions of people do believe in religion. But I'll tell you what it is: Unlikely and unfounded.

Frankly, in my opinion evolution is more probable than creation of the universe by God, simply because there's scientific evidence thereof. This does not mean that I'm absolutely sure that God does not exist and did not create the universe, it's simply that at current, all evidence I'm aware of, points me in this direction.

Ultimately, it comes to down to a question, what do you gain by believing that God created everything and we all simply cannot understand it, etc.? Personally, I don't see any point in believing this, what is that purpose in believing something that perpetuates ignorance of the universe?

Answer me this, truly, if we could discover the way the universe was created scientifically, would you not want to know? Why are we arguing about this? We're all the same, we all feel the need to know about why we exist and how we came about coming into existence, don't we all seek knowledge? Don't we want to discover these things? Do you truly feel satisfied believing in a God that gives you no answers? Don't you want more? Be truthful, surely there's a part of you that longs for this knowledge! It's only human.

 

[Prometheus]

One final post before going to bed. Very tired now. The anti-christ is actually the embodiment of the Devil who will portray himself as Christ. So I take offence to anybody being called an anti-christ. So whether you belief in Him or not, if he returns one day and says he is God then according to God's word he will be the Devil.

 

[mooK]

But what if it's actually JesVs or whatever? Y'know, the advent? And then like, we all, like, think he's the devil and such?

 

[pupa]

It is not inconceivable, that's why millions of people do believe in religion. But I'll tell you what it is: Unlikely and unfounded.

Frankly, in my opinion evolution is more probable than creation of the universe by God, simply because there's scientific evidence thereof. This does not mean that I'm absolutely sure that God does not exist and did not create the universe, it's simply that at current, all evidence I'm aware of, points me in this direction.

Ultimately, it comes to down to a question, what do you gain by believing that God created everything and we all simply cannot understand it, etc.? Personally, I don't see any point in believing this, what is that purpose in believing something that perpetuates ignorance of the universe?

Answer me this, truly, if we could discover the way the universe was created scientifically, would you not want to know? Why are we arguing about this? We're all the same, we all feel the need to know about why we exist and how we came about coming into existence, don't we all seek knowledge? Don't we want to discover these things? Do you truly feel satisfied believing in a God that gives you no answers? Don't you want more? Be truthful, surely there's a part of you that longs for this knowledge! It's only human.

Yes I want to know. I believe that science will prove to us that we were created, not evolved only from an ape but the evolution process were tampered with to allow controlled mutations at large. I believe the everlasting life will come, again due to science, as we defeat as humans illness and diseases as well as through DNA manipulation. I believe that humans will be able to be recreated in far future due to DNA storage after death! Why not?
I believe this knowledge and science were given to us by something or someone, who cares, as long as it can help us!

 

[mooK]

If something out there *gave* us all this scientific knowledge, then what about all the previous generations that won't be able to benefit from the advent of this newfound scientific knowledge that was supposedly *given* to us? Why wasn't it given earlier? Why now? As much as I'd like to think we're the chosen generation, there's no reason to believe so, other than to comfort oneself.

I'm off to go get some sleep given to me.
Night.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

I believe that science will prove to us that we were created, not evolved only from an ape but the evolution process were tampered with to allow controlled mutations at large.

pupa your logic is flawed and proves that you dont understand anything relating to evolution. darwin claimed we evolved from apes, but any serious scientist will tell you that evolution and darwin shouldnt be associated with each other. we did not evolve from apes. apes and humans both evolved from a common ancestor, all of us belonging to the primate family. this has been discussed earlier in this thread so you can find out the exact details by reading the whole thread

 

[pupa]

pupa your logic is flawed and proves that you dont understand anything relating to evolution. darwin claimed we evolved from apes, but any serious scientist will tell you that evolution and darwin shouldnt be associated with each other. we did not evolve from apes. apes and humans both evolved from a common ancestor, all of us belonging to the primate family. this has been discussed earlier in this thread so you can find out the exact details by reading the whole thread

I read the thread, it did not convince me as yes I believe we had a common ancestor. I actually meant from the later stages of evolved humans to what we are today. Is my logic is flawed concerning the advances they gained in DNA manipulation as is possible today? if so how and if not why not ? How do you explain the time factor required for evolution?

 

[jabulani]

A Vision

Greetings Pastafarians!

And it came to pass that the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster came to me last night in a vision. Winging in over the gentle moonlight, he appeared and summoned me to his noodles.

"I am angry and I am tired of those who ridicule me" he said, "and I will vent my wrath upon them. Henceforth those who take my name in vain shall DEVOLVE! Their brains will congeal and their thoughts slow down until they becometh Cranial Meatballs, their voices evermore inarticulate, their utterances evermore dogslobber on the sands of time! And their names shall be Pupa and Prometheus. Make this known by My command!"

Whereupon His Great Noodliness left in a flash of lightning and a crash of thunder.

 

[pip]

A derogatory comment would be "You are somewahat lacking in intelligence."

Apt and appropriate, and he didn't even get it. LOL

 

[pupa]

Apt and appropriate, and he didn't even get it. LOL

Just read my Sig and be happy if you meet the criteria!

 

[BOREDOFTELKOM]

i saw a dc on discovery, it said we come from EVE(adam coundnt b traced), this is biological science, not archaeology . eve was black

(archeohohloge ), okay that worst joke

 

[pupa]

i saw a dc on discovery, it said we come from EVE(adam coundnt b traced), this is biological science, not archihohology . eve was black

Did you mean the local version of Alcohology? Sound like it?

 

[pip]

Just read my Sig and be happy if you meet the criteria!

And your sig means what exactly? It is not even English LOL

 

[pupa]

And your sig means what exactly? It is not even English LOL

Its written for guys like you! LOL Hehe!

 

[Rkootknir]

And this post in a nutshell reflects what Fred Hoyle wrote somewhere
in a book:"....biologists have become mentally ill in a sense"
This mental illness is the main reason why Hoyle did not pursue a career in
biology. Collectivly society's mind is confused because the language is
confused. Who did the 'selecting' and what 'naturaled' ?

OK then, just one quick post (my CPU at home fried itself on Saturday... @ the office now to do some work, but came across this).

You've tried this argument on me once before. I will respond as I did then: Your sentence doesn't make any sense. Nobody did the selecting, that's why it's called "natural selection". If, on the other hand, you refer too cross-breeding \ polination (as in apples or dogs) then humans did it. Please try to explain the concept of the word "naturaled" to me. I can't seem to find it in any of my dictionaries. BTW, Fred Hoyle, while a great physicist, was not an evolutionary biologist.

Dr. Massimo Pugliucci now even talks about 'fascillitated' evolution.
The term 'evolution' is essentially undefined. Words which imply teleological
goal setting or consciousness are used by biologists and laymen alike.

Evolution is defined as "a change in the allele frequencies within a population"

There is no such thing as 'natural selection'. Nature is an effect not a cause in an of itself. And how do you know that a 'mutation' is 'random'? Prof Robert Herrmann a fully tenured prof in mathematics has called the use of the term random as used in popular publications a 'strong delusion'. www.raherrmann.com

Prof. Herrmann also proved via his theory of Ultra-Logics that the laws of
physics as we understand them today need not have applied in the distant
past. How for example did a dynosaur bird manage to fly without breaking
it's wings?

Robert Hermann is a mathematician (and an IDer) and not an evolutionary biologist. Please consult expert relevant to current field of discussion.

Also don't make the fallacy of 'appeal to abstract authority'. For example someone would say:"According to science'. No according to humans, 'science' doesn't say or declare anything.

I can refer you to quite a number of published, peer-reviewed articles in respected journals that were made by evolutionary biologists if you so wish.

 

[rwenzori]

It is with a heavy heart that I feel I must join this thread. I have become disappointed and alarmed by the posts from some of my brothers in the Lord, and feel I must say what I have to say.

Are we not enjoined to bring non-believers to the fold? Are we not bound to let the Light of the Lord shine through what we post? Should not the non-believer see in us that which makes them want to be part of the Lord?

But what do we see here - those who profess J_E_S_U_S but whose hearts are consumed by aggression and self-interest, whose postings stray wide from the teachings of the Lord, who do not take issue with the blasphemy uttered all around? Is THIS our witness? Is THIS our example? I despair for the true Church in this time. Where is the caring for our fellow man? Where is the Love we bound to offer? How will the non-believers be brought to salvation?

I ask the believers here to let the Light of our Lord shine through them.

 

[jabulani]

It is with a heavy heart that I feel I must join this thread.

Hey lighten up old chap! You can always become a Pastafarian

 

[pupa]

Hey lighten up old chap! You can always become a Pastafarian

LoL Jabu, I was afraid to even answer!

 

[Rkootknir]

It is with a heavy heart that I feel I must join this thread. I have become disappointed and alarmed by the posts from some of my brothers in the Lord, and feel I must say what I have to say.

Are we not enjoined to bring non-believers to the fold? Are we not bound to let the Light of the Lord shine through what we post? Should not the non-believer see in us that which makes them want to be part of the Lord?

But what do we see here - those who profess J_E_S_U_S but whose hearts are consumed by aggression and self-interest, whose postings stray wide from the teachings of the Lord, who do not take issue with the blasphemy uttered all around? Is THIS our witness? Is THIS our example? I despair for the true Church in this time. Where is the caring for our fellow man? Where is the Love we bound to offer? How will the non-believers be brought to salvation?

I ask the believers here to let the Light of our Lord shine through them.

Disclaimer: If you're sensitive about religion, please just skip this post. I've hidden it so that you have to make a conscious decision to read it, I'm not interested in debating religion.

[WAY off topic]
rwenzori, while I appreciate your sentiment (I've heard it often enough in my own life, and I was once a vigorous supporter of evangelical Christianity), I must admit that proselytising of any kind gets on my nerves these days.

[My religious opinion]
I was once an adherent of one of the most conservative sections of the Christian Church (strict Calvinism), basically because my parents were. However, after listening to the preaching of untold numbers of evangelical Christians, I became utterly disillusioned with the entire concept of religion. I couldn't listen to any more "dominees" preaching love and forgiveness on one hand, but filling their preaches with their own prejudices (racism, anti-science, us vs them), so I became an apathetic atheist - I don't care about religion and I don't believe in God.

My distaste became so bad (due to people like my dominee, Kent Hovind, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell) that my brand of "believe" now resembles the following: Even if it was proven beyond doubt that God exists (and so Satan and Hell as well) and that the whole biblical account was literally true, I would still rather give God the middle finger and burn in Hell for eternity.

But that's just me.
[/My religious opinion]
[/WAY off topic]

 

[love56k]

Greetings Pastafarians!

And it came to pass that the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster came to me last night in a vision. Winging in over the gentle moonlight, he appeared and summoned me to his noodles.

"I am angry and I am tired of those who ridicule me" he said, "and I will vent my wrath upon them. Henceforth those who take my name in vain shall DEVOLVE! Their brains will congeal and their thoughts slow down until they becometh Cranial Meatballs, their voices evermore inarticulate, their utterances evermore dogslobber on the sands of time! And their names shall be Pupa and Prometheus. Make this known by My command!"

Whereupon His Great Noodliness left in a flash of lightning and a crash of thunder.

rotf!!!! this post, in fact the entire thread, is the funniest i've ever seen here... where do i find that star rating thingi???