CSA denies Smith quit threat

[Fulcrum29]

Top level national teams should be completely unaffected by transformation agendas. You don't grow a tree from the top down... It starts at the roots...

I agree 100%, the people however disagree…

Your average supporter don’t even know that a national team player must be registered to a local club and Union, they don’t simply move to other teams, it is an administration. However, the player contribution to their club had dwindled with modern times. Unions have some very harsh laws in regard with participation concerning clubs next year...

 

[MickeyD]

I agree 100%, the people however disagree…

Your average supporter don’t even know that a national team player must be registered to a local club and Union, they don’t simply move to other teams, it is an administration. However, the player contribution to their club had dwindled with modern times. Unions have some very harsh laws in regard with participation concerning clubs next year...

In the 80/90's it was awesome playing with/against the national/provincial players at club level. Now they might play a single game a season, in some cases you might be lucky to see your national players in the club pub

 

[Fulcrum29]

Most dont! You get quite a number who get excited about European soccer but local soccer... Complete non issue amongst whiteys... It would have shown in match attendance...

It shows on all sport levels in concern with local clubs. To take cricket as an example, at our local grounds it is the players which supports the players, here and there will be an odd person who don’t do or participate in the sport.

Rugby clubs still carry a tradition, regulars will come and go e.g. old boys. Varsity receives new slaves every year… the reason I said slave is due to most only supporting the sport due to the varsity culture.

 

[Fulcrum29]

In the 80/90's it was awesome playing with/against the national/provincial players at club level. Now they might play a single game a season, in some cases you might be lucky to see your national players in the club pub

Interesting though, this is a point in concern. I’m not involved anymore and have to go the club to get updated, but a proposition was made available to return all clubs on community level like in the past. Thus you recruit players within your own district. Clubs like Maties won’t support this motive…

 

[MickeyD]

Interesting though, this is a point in concern. I’m not involved anymore and have to go the club to get updated, but a proposition was made available to return all clubs on community level like in the past. Thus you recruit players within your own district. Clubs like Maties won’t support this motive…

I don't quite agree with that. I have no problem with the "richer, established" clubs (excluding the varsities) attracting so-called "development players" as this uplifts the individual players and gives them opportunities they never had before.

Our club, for example, poached Mfuneko Ngam and the rest is history. Sadly for him he has brittle bones and was forced to retire at a young age.

 

[Paul Hjul]

why "excluding the varsities"

I have long believed that SA should seriously look at learning from the yanks. Imagine if Super Rugby was used as a cash cow for the unions amateur operations and the universities.

Of course cricket wouldn't be as much of a cash cow because well cricket is boring

 

[hawker]

I find test cricket more exciting than that T20 rubbish they are convinced on playing these days. Can't stand it.

 

[Fulcrum29]

I don't quite agree with that. I have no problem with the "richer, established" clubs (excluding the varsities) attracting so-called "development players" as this uplifts the individual players and gives them opportunities they never had before.

Our club, for example, poached Mfuneko Ngam and the rest is history. Sadly for him he has brittle bones and was forced to retire at a young age.

I understand your position, but it more in a concern with the current conditions:

1. Varsity clubs lock up players which can play elsewhere.
2. Where is the sponsors?
3. Too many clubs, some even share grounds.
4. No budgets to start with…
5. Unions expecting clubs to contribute $$$

Naturally you can still purchase players, but the Union will expect that the players are active.

In rugby, a club like Maties, also have Vics, both Super a League teams and a great mechanism to manipulate the log with players. Next year they extended the log to include 4 more teams, basically Super B got 4 teams promoted all the way down the league ladder. The Varsity teams will certainly have a surprise in concern with contenders, seeing that both Primrose and False Bay will be haunting their players, varsity have never played against teams like this.

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-afr...-cape-club-rugby-match-1.1567716#.Urc13PQW3To

Once a club do not have the money to support their players, then they drop, Villager RFC being an example, this was a great club.

All the Union really want is the community players to be active within their clubs, to save money. Then, when you poach a coach, they normally take their key players with them...

 

[MickeyD]

I understand your position, but it more in a concern with the current conditions:

1. Varsity clubs lock up players which can play elsewhere.
2. Where is the sponsors?
3. Too many clubs, some even share grounds.
4. No budgets to start with…
5. Unions expecting clubs to contribute $$$

Naturally you can still purchase players, but the Union will expect that the players are active.

In rugby, a club like Maties, also have Vics, both Super a League teams and a great mechanism to manipulate the log with players. Next year they extended the log to include 4 more teams, basically Super B got 4 teams promoted all the way down the league ladder. The Varsity teams will certainly have a surprise in concern with contenders, seeing that both Primrose and False Bay will be haunting their players, varsity have never played against teams like this.

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-afr...-cape-club-rugby-match-1.1567716#.Urc13PQW3To

Once a club do not have the money to support their players, then they drop, Villager RFC being an example, this was a great club.

All the Union really want is the community players to be active within their clubs, to save money. Then, when you poach a coach, they normally take their key players with them...

Fully agree and the same happened here in PE.

And this is where the development funding comes in...

Sponsors? There is so much politics at admin level in PE that the situation is not conducive for sponsorships. Only the top few sides have sponsors (plus the varisty!).

 

[AfricanTech]

why "excluding the varsities"

I have long believed that SA should seriously look at learning from the yanks. Imagine if Super Rugby was used as a cash cow for the unions amateur operations and the universities.

Of course cricket wouldn't be as much of a cash cow because well cricket is boring

Go and wash your mouth out with soap Mr Hjul - did you follow the game today - WoW!

 

[Paul Hjul]

Go and wash your mouth out with soap Mr Hjul - did you follow the game today - WoW!

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and all for another draw

 

[SinghDude]

Politicians are bastids..... the quota system in any sport is flawed and the idea of having a token player is detrimental to the sport itself. . .

I find that the media loves putting a spin when it comes to the composition of sporting teams, nationally or provincially ......politicians just love the brownie points surrounding racial quotas......


politics should stay out of sports .period.


OT : tsolikile isn't good enough to play for SA.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Politicians are bastids..... the quota system in any sport is flawed and the idea of having a token player is detrimental to the sport itself. . .

I find that the media loves putting a spin when it comes to the composition of sporting teams, nationally or provincially ......politicians just love the brownie points surrounding racial quotas......


politics should stay out of sports .period.


OT : tsolikile isn't good enough to play for SA.

I was shocked with the sport24 comments…

It is clear that Smith received support on all sides, but this article whether the allegation is true or not put a negativity around the captain, but many are pro quota, even suggesting Tsolekile as captain... :erm:

SA sport do not need this... the Cape Crusaders are enough already...

 

[cr@zydude]

I was shocked with the sport24 comments…

It is clear that Smith received support on all sides, but this article whether the allegation is true or not put a negativity around the captain, but many are pro quota, even suggesting Tsolekile as captain... :erm:

SA sport do not need this... the Cape Crusaders are enough already...

Why do Crusaders' fans get such a hard time? I saw thousands of Man U fans cheering against Ajax when they plaued in Cape Town in June. I did not see any outcry.

 

[AfricanTech]

Why do Crusaders' fans get such a hard time? I saw thousands of Man U fans cheering against Ajax when they plaued in Cape Town in June. I did not see any outcry.

Chalk and cheese - not a valid comparison.

Firstly, ManU and Ajax do not play in the same competition.

Add the rest of the reasons below - there are many

 

[akescpt]

Why do Crusaders' fans get such a hard time? I saw thousands of Man U fans cheering against Ajax when they plaued in Cape Town in June. I did not see any outcry.

Well I'm sure those fans didn't boo Ajax. Didn't spit on the Ajax players. Didn't try to pick fights with the Ajax supporters. Didn't verbally abuse the Ajax players. Generally not being huge a$$es. I couldn't care less if you support your team but don't infringe on my right to enjoy my team/s.

 

[MickeyD]

DILLIGAF about soccer and rugby in THIS thread?

 

[Fulcrum29]

DILLIGAF about soccer and rugby in THIS thread?

My problem is with the supporter attitude, when the transformation reports are released next year, which ratio will you be expecting?

According to comments made on the allegation it seems cricket supporters want a non-white to feature as captain. Do you think that transformation might put this on the table?

 

[cr@zydude]

Chalk and cheese - not a valid comparison.

Firstly, ManU and Ajax do not play in the same competition.

Add the rest of the reasons below - there are many

If they were playing in the Club World Cup in SA, do you think that the ratios would have been any different? Most comments are that those fans are unpatriotic, I'm simply pointing out that people support who they want to. Even at a national level, you'd find many people cheering for Spain when they played Bafana.

DILLIGAF about soccer and rugby in THIS thread?

Yes, it should probably be separated.

On topic, Smith said yesterday that Steyn and Philander made the decision to play for the draw. Surely that should be the coach and captain's call.

 

[AfricanTech]

If they were playing in the Club World Cup in SA, do you think that the ratios would have been any different? Most comments are that those fans are unpatriotic, I'm simply pointing out that people support who they want to. Even at a national level, you'd find many people cheering for Spain when they played Bafana.



Yes, it should probably be separated.

On topic, Smith said yesterday that Steyn and Philander made the decision to play for the draw. Surely that should be the coach and captain's call.

Then they should go live in Spain.

Call is made on the pitch cos they are the ones evaluating the game ball by ball.

Instruction would have been, whatever else, don't lose your wicket, morne can't run and tahir can't bat.

If not for the brilliant, and it was in the context of the game, run out of Faf, we would have won.