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daveza

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Stupidity in Cape Town is making me a moany whinger again .

Hot on the heels of the daft ' phone us and we'll fine them ' cig butt plan comes a new solution to our traffic problem.

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=&art_id=nw20071003101007200C447291

Trucks off roads during peak hours

By Sipokazi Maposa

Cape Town is considering keeping heavy vehicles off the road during peak hours to alleviate traffic congestion and pollution.

Cape Town's director of transport, Maddie Mazaza, said trucks were considered to be the biggest contributors to increasing congestion on the city's roads, affecting productivity and transport efficiency.

Heavy vehicle exhaust emissions were also a leading cause of the "brown haze" air pollution.

But the plan had businesses and other freight users ringing the alarm bell this morning.

The Cape Regional Chamber of Commerce and Industry warned that if restrictions were not properly managed, they could damage business.

In an interview on Tuesday, Mazaza gave details of the idea, which she said was at the proposal stage at present and required further investigation.

It was believed that a ban on the movement of heavy vehicles during peak hour would go a long way to alleviating both traffic snarl ups and air pollution, she said.

The city would also investigate dedicating lanes to heavy vehicles and allowing them special right of way in certain circumstances, to improve the movement of freight.

The strategy would be part of a sustainable transport system aimed at creating a balance between the movement of people and freight, she said.

Studies to determine how the plan would be implemented were already under way and the city was looking at various options on how to implement it.

The focus would be on key roads mainly used by trucks. They included freeways such as the N7, N1, N2 and Vanguard Drive, which is flanked by industrial areas.

"Trucks are the biggest contributors to congestion and air emissions in the city. Time lost during congestion affects overall productivity, with a resultant impact on the economy," Mazaza said.

"By discouraging (trucks) from using the road during peak times, we will be creating a win win situation for everybody.

"Business is currently suffering because workers always get to work late and trucks are spending more time on the road anyway, because of congestion.

"There are also unacceptable levels of emissions because of heavy vehicles that spend more time in traffic.

"If we take them off the roads at certain times, it will be quicker for commuters to travel to work and for trucks to travel to their destinations during off-peak. There will also be less pollution," she said.

The freight strategy would look at ways to improve freight operations without negatively af-fecting the economy and other road users.

It would look at how to create a sustainable transport system to move people and goods efficiently and safely.

"Our major priority at the moment is the movement of public transport, but it needs to balance with the movement of goods," Mazaza said.

"We will be identifying major destinations and route networks that carry a lot of freight vehicles. We will then do an analysis of the investigation and see what's feasible.

"We will also have a process of consultation with other stakeholders and the business sector to get their views on what can be implemented."

Mazaza said it was important to link the busy nodes that carried heavy freight, such as Epping and the harbour.

"The idea is to have a strategic freight road network that will ensure that all the freight generators are linked and feed into the rail system."

Mazaza said the tendency of truck drivers to travel in the fast lanes of freeways was also being investigated as this led to accidents.

But the Cape Regional Chamber of Commerce and Industry warned that if the plan was not well managed, it could damage businesses and the city's economy.

Chamber president Janine Myburgh said it was opposed to any move that would restrict businesses from conducting their day to day operations.

"You can't ban trucks at certain hours, because they form part of our economy."

So, either keep trucks off the road during rush hour, or allocate special lanes.
Let's see - we already have a lane restricted to buses and taxis so there will be one lane left for cars. Yep, that's a brilliant idea !

Let me throw in a really wild idea - how about we have a functioning, professionally run.......... public transport system !! Trains, monorails, hovercraft, undergrounds whatever.
There is simply not enough road. Rush hour used to be at 5pm - now it starts at 3.30 and ends around 7pm.

The closer we get to 2010 the harder it is to sleep.
 
Good idea ... I support it. People in this country should get into and used to 24/7 operations ... or we will be left behind. Freight movement and deliveries can take place between 19:00 and 05:00. A mind/paradigm shift is needed. Yes, effective, reliable, affordable, accessible, ..., public transport is urgently needed ... and it is coming.
 
Yes, effective, reliable, affordable, accessible, ..., public transport is urgently needed ... and it is coming.


Yup and so is my grandad; as soon as he can remember where he hid his little blue pills (I'm sure I heard him muttering something about imminent... but then maybe he hadn't put his teeth in and he actually meant "in the mints")
 
Perhaps all the Capey members could add some suggestions - here's one from me...

If you are going up Plattekloof hill and cannot maintain 120 kph, get out of the third lane.
If you are going up Plattekloof hill and have more than 4 wheels, stay in the first lane.
 
Yup and so is my grandad; as soon as he can remember where he hid his little blue pills (I'm sure I heard him muttering something about imminent... but then maybe he hadn't put his teeth in and he actually meant "in the mints")

Perhaps it was impotent... much like our public transport
 
Coming to town from Table View has become an absolute nightmare. Can't wait till I get my Bike!!!
 
All that I want to know is why is there no traffic when the schools are on holiday? Just shift the school hours to make morning traffic better. Flexi hours and work-from-home should also bring some relief in traffic.
 
There are of course two ways of doing things, namely the carrot and the stick.

Our government is quite good with the stick.

The reason why there are so many trucks on the road (if you havn't been on the N1 between JHB and CT recently, you won't believe it) is that the railway transport system has all but collapsed. Getting a container to or from JHB is a lot more economical by rail, if a decent rail system exists.

Cynical or paranoid people would say that the railways collapsed because of the effort of people who stood to gain from fuel sales, those being the big petro companies as well as government, who earns a significant hunk of cash off fuel taxes...

daveza said:
If you are going up Plattekloof hill and cannot maintain 120 kph, get out of the third lane.
If you are going up Plattekloof hill and have more than 4 wheels, stay in the first lane.

Ooh look there are traffic signs to that effect up already.

Strange, they're being ignored...

NaZKuL said:
it is becoming like jo'burg...

When last have you been to joburg? It's a lot worse than joburg. I was there a few weeks ago and the only traffic I saw resembling normal N1 Capetown stuff was when there was an accident on the Ben Schoeman...
 
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City of Cape Town must sort Koeberg Interchange out to help N1 traffic in the AM peak. But Koeberg Int is currently used as a convenient throttle to control traffic flow into the CBD area.

Public Transport will improve. It has to for 2010. If we fail in this the tournament will be in jeopardy. Huge amounts of money is invested in this ... especially in Gauteng ... and those involved in the various projects will agree that a heck of a lot of work must still be done. But let's put it this way ... what if SWC 2010 did not come our way? We have much to appreciate.
 
All that I want to know is why is there no traffic when the schools are on holiday? Just shift the school hours to make morning traffic better. Flexi hours and work-from-home should also bring some relief in traffic.

Not as simple as it sounds. I suspect that the reason traffic is lighter during school holidays is because parents take time off work... Most people take their kids to school on the way to work, so moving around school hours makes that difficult. Moving varsity hours around might help, because varsity students mostly drive themselves. Flexi hours might help a bit - but how many people want to get to work at 10 and leave at 7?

As others have said: the keys are a reliable, efficient, convenient public transport; de-emphasis on the car as a status symbol; and conveying freight by rail as much as possible.
 
Get new international operator for our train system. New trains, safer stations, improved efficiency. The new operator runs this system alongside a fully integrated bus system.
Metrorail is given the boot.
 
Perhaps all the Capey members could add some suggestions - here's one from me...

If you are going up Plattekloof hill and cannot maintain 120 kph, get out of the third lane.
If you are going up Plattekloof hill and have more than 4 wheels, stay in the first lane.

Haha... this is what everyone does already - they just count the lanes from right to left :D
 
I'm so glad I resigned from my IT job and now work from home.
In my opinion people should reside where they work like it used to be a century or two ago. The baker lived upstairs from his bakery, the grocer lived next to his grocery store, etc.

It's absolutely daft to spend 2 or 3 hours every day just traveling to and from work and converting R1500-R2000 per month of one's paycheck into greenhouse gases.

Unfortunately I don't see the situation improving any time soon if at all.
For the 2010 event the government will probably just give the tourists special tickets and allow them to drive in the emergency lanes or a dedicated lane.
 
Good idea ... I support it. People in this country should get into and used to 24/7 operations ... or we will be left behind. Freight movement and deliveries can take place between 19:00 and 05:00. A mind/paradigm shift is needed. Yes, effective, reliable, affordable, accessible, ..., public transport is urgently needed ... and it is coming.

I support it too. The rest of us shouldn't have to suffer with traffic because a few companies are too lazy to manage their logistics properly.
 
City of Cape Town must sort Koeberg Interchange out to help N1 traffic in the AM peak. But Koeberg Int is currently used as a convenient throttle to control traffic flow into the CBD area.

As far as I understand, the plans are very much in progress for this already.

I can't stand the interchange from the point of view of people jumping the queue and cutting in at the last moment. If you see a guy pulling zap signs and sitting on his hooter at queue jumpers, it is likely to be me. :D

Get new international operator for our train system. New trains, safer stations, improved efficiency. The new operator runs this system alongside a fully integrated bus system.
Metrorail is given the boot.

I agree that Metrorail is k*ck. However, the Southern Suburbs line does work quite well. I use it regularly with no problems. In general, I find travelling by train in peak hour a great deal less stressful that travelling by car.
 
... and then the City of Cape Town must complete those ugly half-completed Foreshore bridges. It has become a monument for all things half-done.
 
So what's so bad about this idea? Everytime i see congestion on the JHB roads it's

a] Truck broke down ...always trucks breaking down and they can't go park out of the way.
b] Truck "spilling their loads" ...listen to 5FM or 94.7 to hear how many freaking trucks drop their bricks, oil and coca cola bottles all over the road bringing traffic to a stand still.
c] Truck going slow which results in people getting stuck right behind them and then moving over to a faster lane WHILE STILL GOING SLOW...all traffic in faster lanes breaks and about 40th car will come to a complete stand still due to this....drive the R21 to see this in action.
d] Two truck passing each other , taking up 2 lanes..one trucking going 60, the passing truck going 61.
e] A Truck takes up at least 4+ cars of space!
 
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