DA does not understand racism - Ramphele

Well, racism is alive and kicking in SA. I didn't see where she accused DA of racism. Racism affects all
 
ghoti said:
Not at all considering most of the people I work with are not even white. People are easily sucked into the propaganda the ANC spins. Perception and all that.

Re this weeks news. You dont think the DA approach in dealing with that rogue councilor was sufficient? How else could they have responded that could have shown they are more serious with dealing with race issues? I thought suspending the guy showed that they take this seriously.


Ill let the members in Mdantsane know that they dont know about that. Sure they`ll take her seriously.
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The response from DA leadership has been spot on in the EC instance and I feel the Speaker of WC legislature was right to request Botha to apologise for his baboon comments, however, both incidents show that there is a nonchalant attitude when it come to race relations in the DA and their supporters. You always mention the non-white people you interact with in the DA at grassroots level, would you point them of the direction of this forum for example to view what the some of the opinions about their circumstances are shared about DA supporters here?

That is what I think Mamphele is saying.
 
sox63 said:
The response from DA leadership has been spot on in the EC instance and I feel the Speaker of WC legislature was right to request Botha to apologise for his baboon comments, however, both incidents show that there is a nonchalant attitude when it come to race relations in the DA and their supporters.
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Thats a tiny tiny tiny percentage of DA people that the ANC is making sure they blow out of proportion so people like you think there is an issue. Perception is easy to manufacture. While you guys are focused on petty race issues that are quickly dealt with but are blown out of proportion..... the ANC are robbing you blind. The longer they can keep you focused on race issues the more they can rape you for. Same with leaders in the Middle East.... longer they can keep their population focused on religious issues, the more oil they can steal.

You always mention the non-white people you interact with in the DA at grassroots level, would you point them of the direction of this forum for example to view what the some of the opinions about their circumstances are shared about DA supporters here?
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The people I know I am running workshops in rural areas to teach them how to use a PC to write a CV.... financially and technically theyre far off from being involved in this forum. The black DA people I know who can afford to come onto this forum and have the education are very over worked. The number one reason people quit the DA is because of the amazingly high workloads you get. These people are literally in a different town every day and working from 7am to 9pm. Next time I am at a big meeting Ill try find some people who have time to leave their work to come chat to you.

That is what I think Mamphele is saying.
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I think its insulting to all our black DA members.The day that the number of black members in the DA is more than white members is quickly approaching. Im pretty sure in the EC white people are already a minority. But we all have our opinions.
 
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saksakgp said:
I agree with her. SABC replayed Miracle Rising on Monday, I watched it again and the scene that pisses me off the most was when the police drove into the township in an unmarked truck with them hiding in boxes at the back, and then they reveal themselves and start shooting randomly. Why did they do that?
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me too, what incident was that? i never learned about that in school and tried googling it
 
ghoti said:
Thats a tiny tiny tiny percentage of DA people that the ANC is making sure they blow out of proportion so people like you think there is an issue. Perception is easy to manufacture. While you guys are focused on petty race issues that are quickly dealt with but are blown out of proportion..... the ANC are robbing you blind. The longer they can keep you focused on race issues the more they can rape you for.
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QFT- this is what I meant by Ramphele's statement, and the reasoning behind it IMO.
 
ghoti said:
The insinuation is there.
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I still don't see the insinuation,

She said the party had wanted to "co-opt" her. "The DA and I disagree, not because they have a different kind of policy position, but they don’t understand just that … the scars of racism in this country have not completely healed," Dr Ramphele said.
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she's talking about the scars of racism
 
Maverick Jester said:
Could you perhaps explain what you mean by this?
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Well, in the EC incident, the councilor they suspended for the "racist", in the words of Trollip not mine, circulated the contents via mail and they eventually ended up of the DA EC facebook page where ghoti placed them here as a joke. He removed them afterwards and says he complained about the post internally. Not really race sensitivity 101 is it?

The WC legislature one was defended by some on this forum as saying Botha was using an afrikaans saying common amongst afrikaners, however the person who he was addressing is not afrikaans, he is black, and quite frankly a seniour DA politician should know better than to even think of calling a black person a baboon given the way the word has been used to degrade blacks in the past.
 
No answer on my questions… I do not know the circumstances behind the racial innuendo, but this current article is also a racial innuendo as suggested by Ghoti and I will support him on this.

By establishing the Dlamini Family Figuratively may actually mean black royalty, meaning that Ramphele do not want to be the queen in the Zille organisation, thus only being a Black Face with very little input, this is how I see the matter. This may also mean that Ramphele want to run the organisation on a larger scale, which were unacceptable and I think it is due to this that the internal trouble started while in discussion.

It is also now quite clear that Ramphele is challenging DA votes and not directly ANC votes and this is very interesting due to the Ramphele and Zille relationship. Something happened, what? I do not know…

I also think that Ramphele is pointing out to Helen that the Black Sash did more than Helen Zille and the other white woman during apartheid and that the Black Sash understands the real struggle, this is highly debatable.
 
sox63 said:
Well, in the EC incident, the councilor they suspended for the "racist", in the words of Trollip not mine, circulated the contents via mail and they eventually ended up of the DA EC facebook page where ghoti placed them here as a joke. He removed them afterwards and says he complained about the post internally. Not really race sensitivity 101 is it?

The WC legislature one was defended by some on this forum as saying Botha was using an afrikaans saying common amongst afrikaners, however the person who he was addressing is not afrikaans, he is black, and quite frankly a seniour DA politician should know better than to even think of calling a black person a baboon given the way the word has been used to degrade blacks in the past.
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Your post exhibits exactly the mentality that is holding this country back, and allowing the ANC to pillage and pilfer at will- that despite close to 20 years of democracy, we still need to treat every single situation with a modicum of "race sensitivity". Jeez people, build a bridge and get over it (This may sound overly insensitive, but I think that at some point it needs to happen. Also, this is not an affront to you personally).

What has democracy and the rule of the ANC thus achieved, if everything that goes wrong now, can be blamed upon a situation that occurred close to a generation ago? But the ANC (and others) will spout this nonsense, to keep the sheep in line and their pockets lined (generalisation, I know).

If people (and politicians in particular) weren't so focused on being politically correct and racially sensitive, we may actually be able to fix the real problems that this country faces. Isn't this, in a way, what the DA are doing in Cape Town?

(Of course, I say all of this with the understanding that it is perhaps too idealistic to expect society, and those that rule it, to think rationally or with any consideration to the actual situation. So yes, I don't foresee any changes to our country's political mindset for a while still.)
 
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