DA is losing support under Maimane: poll

Wow! 2 infractions in one thread.
That's the last time I troll "BusinessTech News" :(
 
Hamster said:
I find it concerning that given the current state of our country people would not vote for the official opposition.

Who cares if the DA has internal problems with a few racists or some fail to deliver. Let's get rid of the ANC first and then we go vote for those we like best.
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So if the EFF becomes the official opposition would you encourage people to vote for them too, just because they are the official opposition?
Would you still say, let's get rid of the ANC first and then we go vote for those we like best?

I don't see any point in voting for a party simply because they are the official opposition. It doesn't matter which party you vote for as long as it isn't the ANC. If the opposition parties can get a majority combined, the ANC will have it's power severely curtailed.
 
To snip the article,

“It also shows that Maimane may be losing the DA’s traditional support base, NWW said.

NWW said that the support of colored voters also cannot be guaranteed.

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Only 8% of respondents said that they would vote for the DA if Maimane is the leader – significantly lower than 22% in the 2014 election.
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New World Wealth is making speculation on their sample size, as per

“Our sample included South Africans across demographic groups that matched the country as a whole,” it said.
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which in this regard would make the sample obscure, knowing that they,

polled 650 ordinary South Africans
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people are reading too much into this. Note, the NWW did highlight risks and reasons which can be read in the article,

IIRC, their prior poll on the 2014 general election was in line with the results, giving more or less accurate predictions on the ANC, DA and EFF.
 
Sheep.... I'd much rather have various parties with limited power than one party with all the power.
 
Pitbull said:
Good, those can go vote for Steve or the FF+

The true supporters of a united SA will vote for the DA. Me included.
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Thumbs up: If the concern is better service delivery, better economy, better health care, less crime, better education and an actual future for the next generation - the ANC proved that they cannot deliver even after 21 years of being in power.
 
Hamster said:
I find it concerning that given the current state of our country people would not vote for the official opposition.

Who cares if the DA has internal problems with a few racists or some fail to deliver. Let's get rid of the ANC first and then we go vote for those we like best.
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I don't think many people saying they have lost faith in the DA would at this point actually vote against the DA. I personally think the DA is far too nanny-state orientated. I don't think I'd like South Africa under the DA but heck it would be a ton better than SA under the ANC or *shudders* SA under the EFF.
 
biometrics said:
Nonsense. Opposition is opposition.
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Exactly. Grudge voting for a party you don't like just to keep out a party you don't like more is not the way it should work. Voting for a party other than the ANC or DA does not amount to a vote for the ANC. It could mean that the ANC get's less seats and it could mean that a small party gets a seat that forces the DA to play nicely with them in a coalition.

This binary voter thinking is not helpful and is just a DA ploy based on fear. And voting for a party that, say, has a manifesto to support minority rights and opposes race based policy does not make you racist. If enough people did that it would force the mainstream parties to catch a wake up but nothing will change if everyone has the blinkered ANC vs DA mentality and keeps voting for either one or the other. In fact, it opens the gap for the lunatic fringe like the EFF.

In the absence of such a party, it is also quite acceptable to spoil your vote. If enough people did that, the mainstream parties would also catch a wake up to the fact that there is a large constituency that they are not appealing to. Spoiling your vote, as opposed to just not voting, is important as you are showing that you were prepared to vote, you went to the effort to do so and they could have had your vote, but you disagreed with their policies. If there were 1 million spoiled votes you would have the parties salivating over that potential voter base and trying to figure out what policy changes they need to make to induce you to vote, or it could provide impetus for a completely new party to be formed to try and capture those disgruntled voters.
 
C4Cat said:
So if the EFF becomes the official opposition would you encourage people to vote for them too, just because they are the official opposition?
Would you still say, let's get rid of the ANC first and then we go vote for those we like best?

I don't see any point in voting for a party simply because they are the official opposition. It doesn't matter which party you vote for as long as it isn't the ANC. If the opposition parties can get a majority combined, the ANC will have it's power severely curtailed.
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You arguing semantics or do you really think the DA will be a bad choice over the ANC?
 
evilstebunny said:
Only thing about Maimane is he sometimes comes across as too civilized, too mannered. He should try shouting as load as Julius once in a while..
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Only when he talks to the media or to parliament. He can play to a street crowd no prrrroblem. :D

[video=youtube;a-M1q1METgc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-M1q1METgc[/video]

As for the vote, politics is always going to be a choice between a turd sandwich and a giant douche. I don't agree with the DA on all their policies, but I agree with more of their policies than the ANC or EFF.
 
PsYTraNc3 said:
+1

To all those who choose not to vote for the DA, who will be voting for instead? the ANC?
Voting for any other minority party would also count as a vote in favor of the ANC since the DA (and EFF maybe) is the only one who actually stands a chance of making a change for the better.
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Bull****. There are no minimums for proportional seats. Vote for who best represents you. End of.

ToxicBunny said:
650 people polled..

I can only imagine that there is a large margin of error on those results.
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Actually, no. 650 is more than a good sample size.
 
xrapidx said:
Lost my support before this guy arrived - by failing to deliver... and having various useless ward councillers in my area, and doing absolutely ****all about it it.

I'm not keen on a nanny state, and a party that bulldoze their way into doing what ever they want, we already have that.
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The problem in many areas is the local DA only has councils and not the ruling party in that area, there isn't a heck of a lot they can do in many instances.

And of all the local parties, the DA is at least the lesser of many evils. Better than not voting at all, that's for sure. I mean who can deny that the cape is better governed than all the other province's.
 
Hamster said:
You arguing semantics or do you really think the DA will be a bad choice over the ANC?
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It's not semantics at all. You are encouraging people to vote for the DA, even if they don't agree with DA policies, simply because they are the biggest opposition.

I don't see any point in that. I say you should rather vote for whichever opposition party best represents your interests and worldview, don't take into account how big or small they are, that's not relevant.

It's not about DA vs ANC - I don't think either party is what this country needs
 
PsYTraNc3 said:
+1

To all those who choose not to vote for the DA, who will be voting for instead? the ANC?
Voting for any other minority party would also count as a vote in favor of the ANC since the DA (and EFF maybe) is the only one who actually stands a chance of making a change for the better.
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You do not understand how seats in parliament work, do you?
 
C4Cat said:
So if the EFF becomes the official opposition would you encourage people to vote for them too, just because they are the official opposition?
Would you still say, let's get rid of the ANC first and then we go vote for those we like best?

I don't see any point in voting for a party simply because they are the official opposition. It doesn't matter which party you vote for as long as it isn't the ANC. If the opposition parties can get a majority combined, the ANC will have it's power severely curtailed.
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Difference is that the DA is a more efficient and less corrupt ANC. The EFF are extremists. I would rather continue under ANC rule than to live under the EFF...
 
Pakka said:
You do not understand how seats in parliament work, do you?
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I'm sure we all know how seats work. Having one part with more seats than another helps with pushing issues without needing to drag in other parties to help vote. The more seats 1 party has the more power they have. Giving 4 seats to the FF+ means what in the greater scheme of things when those 3 added seats to the DA as an example would be more effective. Sure, every party has a voice. But how loud your voice is will directly be determined by the amount of seats you have.
 
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