DA Wants H.I.V Testing Without Consent

killadoob said:
Perfectly healthy sex life?

You mean no condom and banging whoever they like?
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You must be using some definition of the word "healthy" that I was previously unaware of.


Perhaps if we lived in a world where people were responsible i could agree but AIDS is not accelerating world wide because people are doing the right thing.
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Our infection rates seem to have plateaued so I don't know where you're getting this "accelerating world wide" claim from.


In order to stop this disease drastic measures are needed.
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What exactly these "measures" should be is what I'm unsure of.
 
South Africa has the highest HIV infection rate in the world. (http://www.avert.org/aidssouthafrica.htm)

I submit that whatever we've been doing in the past, and are doing now, is NOT working.

I think any thinking-out-of-the-box ideas about curbing this disease deserve to be investigate with open minds and with the greater good of the country at heart. Kneejerk kicking down of ideas "because they're not the way we do things" is not going to help anyone.

I think the initiative of rewarding people for getting tested is a fantastic idea. People are far more motivated by money than they are by a fear of something "that could never happen to me".

Non-consensual testing - great idea! An HIV infected patient poses an elevated risk to healthcare staff who are treating that patient. Those staff have a right to know about that risk. It's not like the results will be published anywhere (making it a compulsory disclosure disease is another thing altogether - I am in favour of this but that's my opinion) and the patient can be required to have the aids counselling session before being informed of the result, if they even want to know.
 
ghoti said:
the greater good it would do to the community.
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For the greater good, for the motherland, for the fatherland , for the master race, for the proleteriat, for the society, for the majority etc etc.
Yes, a very healthy ideology that of course has served many so well down through history :sick:

killadoob said:
I also reckon if you have AIDS traveling abroad should banned just as it would be with an airborne disease. In fact an airborne disease is easier to control because the signs are fairly obvious, AIDS is silent and slips in and out without leaving many signs.
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:wtf:

Collectivism at its worst, and discrimination at its worst.
 
The DA is surely out of their minds. How would that coexist with the following rights entrenched in our Bill of rights?
10. Human dignity - Everyone has inherent dignity and the right to have their dignity respected and protected.

14. Privacy - Everyone has the right to privacy, which includes the right not to have *their person or home searched; their property searched; their possessions seized; or the privacy of their communications infringed.

36. Limitation of rights -The rights in the Bill of Rights may be limited only in terms of law of general application to the extent that the limitation is reasonable and justifiable in an open and democratic society based on human dignity, equality and freedom, taking into account all relevant factors,
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How does an HIV test infringe your dignity or freedom?
 
JungleBoy said:
The DA is surely out of their minds. How would that coexist with the following rights entrenched in our Bill of rights?
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How does that effect either more than forcing you to get an ID or a drivers licence?
 
@ Killadoob, You are assuming that while travelling abroad an infected person is planning to engage in unsafe sex or even rape the citizens of the country they are visiting. A sexually transmitted disease cannot be compared to airborne diseases. The former involves a choice unless in cases of rape. Why would a person of sane mind engage in unsafe sex with a stranger from another country?
 
Sinbad said:
How does an HIV test infringe your dignity or freedom?
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Freedom to choose and your dignity is infringed upon when you are forced to do the test. The DA could then at some arbitrary time decide to make the disease notifiable giving you no choice in the matter.

Helen is going right wing
 
R13... said:
Freedom to choose and your dignity is infringed upon when you are forced to do the test.
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Then how come they can force us to get RICA, FICA, Drivers licence and ID book? Where are you calling for our freedom when the ANC are doing it? :confused:

Helen is going right wing
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Notice you didnt say that about the ANC with RICA and FICA. Guess its cause they are not white.
 
Sinbad said:
How does an HIV test infringe your dignity or freedom?
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Right to freedom I'm not so sure about but autonomy and dignity for sure.

You don't want one for whatever reason and they force you to have one - rights to autonomy and dignity infringed upon.

The right to autonomy is obvious - you've been denied the right to make your own choice.
Dignity is tied in with autonomy - by not respecting the right to autonomy of that individual you have infringed upon their dignity.
 
ghoti said:
How does that effect either more than forcing you to get an ID or a drivers licence?
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When you took out your ID or drivers licence, did you have your blood taken and tested and your status divulged..? Having your finger prints taken as a form of identity preserve human dignity as stipulated in the Bill of Rights. There are of course many biometric means of identification some more accurate than fingerprinting but problem is they are very intrusive and therefore are not used for that same reason...Please enlighten yourself a little before making incredulously ridiculous analogies.
 
JungleBoy said:
When you took out your ID or drivers licence, did you have your blood taken and tested and your status divulged..?
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Who on earth said they would divulge your status? :confused: Like any medical record that should be private unless a court orders otherwise.
They did give me eye tests and I had fingerprints taken. Your point?

Sorry, you argument is not convincing. You have double standards.
 
ghoti said:
Then how come they can force us to get RICA, FICA, Drivers licence and ID book? Where are you calling for our freedom when the ANC are doing it? :confused:



Notice you didnt say that about the ANC with RICA and FICA. Guess its cause they are not white.
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How do you know whet I said or didn't regarding those. Your argument is weak man, you're somehow insinuating I'm arguing against this because it is DA?
 
JungleBoy said:
When you took out your ID or drivers licence, did you have your blood taken and tested and your status divulged..? Having your finger prints taken as a form of identity preserve human dignity as stipulated in the Bill of Rights. There are of course many biometric means of identification some more accurate than fingerprinting but problem is they are very intrusive and therefore are not used for that same reason...Please enlighten yourself a little before making incredulously ridiculous analogies.
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Having my fingerprints taken makes me feel a lot less diginified than my last HIV test did.
 
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