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Xarion

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You Damn WISPs should go a pay for dedicated frequencies to sell your crappy internet stop screwing up the ISM band which is meant for non commercial purposes
 
and another bitch and moan, seems like MIS (megaserve) which is frikken everywhere is using cracked software on their routers, come on guys do you really have to save money on legit software? money must be tight... as with most wisps

bastids
 
Oh right, that's who MIS is, I can pick up 3 MIS APs........
Aren't they only have ADSL/dialup, why also AP
 
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Xarion said:
You Damn WISPs should go a pay for dedicated frequencies to sell your crappy internet stop screwing up the ISM band which is meant for non commercial purposes
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Here Here.... I'll second that
 
yeah didnt think any WISPs would reply, they all know they are doing wrong...
 
yeah...for if they like use 400mW amplification on a sector....or some noob with a 3dbi omni with a 1watt amplifier...thats just !@#$!@$! up everything.

i know of a certain local wisp doing that....
 
[OUPA]MrNutz;963248 said:
yeah...for if they like use 400mW amplification on a sector....or some noob with a 3dbi omni with a 1watt amplifier...thats just !@#$!@$! up everything.

i know of a certain local wisp doing that....
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I sometimes wonder whether they should be named and shamed
if if the get named they are getting free publicity and we dont want that.
 
all wisps use amps coz they too stupid to actually sit and and figure out what the problem is.
 
I guess they are all out there trying to fix all the issues, plug in more amps, install more omni's etc...
 
I find these posts strange & confusing. What is exactly is the ranting about? :confused:

Is it about the use of "illegal or cracked" software or is it interference issues?

I am very interested if there is cracked software available? Not that I would use it of course ;)

Is megaserve available in J'burg too?
 
GoGGA said:
I find these posts strange & confusing. What is exactly is the ranting about? :confused:

Is it about the use of "illegal or cracked" software or is it interference issues?

I am very interested if there is cracked software available? Not that I would use it of course ;)

Is megaserve available in J'burg too?
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Its both issues... using cracked/hacked software in a commercial deployment. and generating Noise.

If you live near one of their highsites, your Wifi speeds in your house are going to be bad 'cos of a WISP flooding the area with signals. Your Access Point has to contend with the radiating crap and scales your throughput down. (as the offender is a stronger and more persistent signal)

Now look at the basics.. Your wifi performs badly 'cos someone else close by is making cash from a free spectrum. Is that fair?
 
btw...

I support WISPs 110%. What they are doing as an industry is great. They might be a couple "fly-by-nights" or "lone rangers" that give WISPs a bad name but overall there are some very good genuine WISPs that really go the extra mile for the customer.

I think the following are good. These are ones that I have personally dealt with or close friends have had good/ excellent service. They are all Cape Town based (sorry guys): Uninetwork (some friends use them); Netcontacts (my provider); Wireless Online (family uses them)...

I think there should be a website that lists good & bad ones. Anyone want to volunteer?
 
GoGGA said:
btw...

I support WISPs 110%. What they are doing as an industry is great. They might be a couple "fly-by-nights" or "lone rangers" that give WISPs a bad name but overall there are some very good genuine WISPs that really go the extra mile for the customer.

I think the following are good. These are ones that I have personally dealt with or close friends have had good/ excellent service. They are all Cape Town based (sorry guys): Uninetwork (some friends use them); Netcontacts (my provider); Wireless Online (family uses them)...

I think there should be a website that lists good & bad ones. Anyone want to volunteer?
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A wisp is doing the right thing, 50% of the time. The can go BUY a frequency allocation and stop raping the ISM bands. It has nothing to do with Good and Bad Wisp. they use ISM 'cos they are ALL CHEAP AND NASTY and hell-bent on making cash. There are no exclusions to this rule.

Sorry, I get a bit annoyed when WISPs expoit the legislation that was meant for Non-profit organisations
 
dominic said:
how exactly?
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There are only 3 non-overlapping usefull channels on wifi. a WISP using 2 of them for "Money making" degrades my choices of connectivity. Why should I tollerate his "Noise" ? .. If I opened up a Factory in the middle of a residential area making noise, I will be shut down as quickly as I started. Just 'cos the noise is electronic, doesnt mean I have to "put up with it"

emotional - speaking from experience this is simply not true
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Please tell me for what other reason why WISPS use ISM band?
Cost saving? Commodity hardware? bypass ICASA and license regulations? Quickly depolyable?

All those point to "Fly-By-Night" - hence, hell bent on returns before ICASA wakes up and closes them all down.
 
10 foot pole ?

Anybody got a spare 10 foot pole so I can touch this topic?

Wisps unfortunately serve a purpose, its partly ICASA's fault for:
1) letting telkom do what theyre doing
2) not shutting Miro down or forcing them to stop selling illegal equipment
3) not shutting down all the overpowered equipment that is running atm, its quick to find
4) charging so much for chunks of the spectrum (touchy issue) or not selling it to the smaller guys, don't care how much money you have, go try buy some 3.5ghz your going to battle
5) forcing everyone who wants to do business these days to be BEE etc

Then again alot of wisps do conduct bad business so its easy to just point them out. Anyways, a small portion of them do serve a purpose, sucks that the majority cause problems.

When I say bad business I'm not talking about fly-by-nights or ****ty internet either, I'm talking about people like MS who put 500mW amps on client premises or others like 24-7 who think that a card that outputs less than 400mW has no use, or others like 24-7 (woops, same bunch too) that go ahead and stick omni's on every client.


P.S> I didn't fact check all the ICASA crap, but it was in my head so I assume it's right ?
 
my question was not clear - i am simply asking how they get access to licensed frequency in SA?

as for the rest - i am querying your emotional generalisation - there are cowboys but there are plenty of wisps who have existed for years with a more than happy clientele + technical competence + within regulated power limits + no amplifiers + they operate in unlicensed spectrum other than 2.4 ISM

is there a demand for these services in SA? are they critical to the need to address underserviced and non-serviced areas given government ineptitude? personally speaking i look forward to the day when 2.4 is a frequency of the commons but..

wrt ICASA - they are well aware of the situation (dfficult not to be with iBurst around) and there has been interaction with an industry representative body which is ongoing

the same industry representative body is finalising structures that will allow consumers to make interference complaints - while i have no idea how this will all pan out there is at least explicit recognition of the rights of general usage

and just to note in this thread that the legal position of WUGS - while promising for the future (as is that for WISPs with VANS licences) - remains clouded at this time
 
dominic said:
my question was not clear - i am simply asking how they get access to licensed frequency in SA?

as for the rest - i am querying your emotional generalisation - there are cowboys but there are plenty of wisps who have existed for years with a more than happy clientele + technical competence + within regulated power limits + no amplifiers + they operate in unlicensed spectrum other than 2.4 ISM

is there a demand for these services in SA? are they critical to the need to address underserviced and non-serviced areas given government ineptitude? personally speaking i look forward to the day when 2.4 is a frequency of the commons but..

wrt ICASA - they are well aware of the situation (dfficult not to be with iBurst around) and there has been interaction with an industry representative body which is ongoing

the same industry representative body is finalising structures that will allow consumers to make interference complaints - while i have no idea how this will all pan out there is at least explicit recognition of the rights of general usage

and just to note in this thread that the legal position of WUGS - while promising for the future (as is that for WISPs with VANS licences) - remains clouded at this time
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a WISP in an underserviced area is the only exception and I can undertsand that. the WISP industry in SA is messed up, with everyone and their dog adding antennas on rooftops. it degrades performance for legitimate uses, kills the name of the legitimate WISP (if such a thing exists)

But using the "Undserserviced Area" clause in legislation does not apply in cities. Anyone using this should have the full wrath of ICASA.

But that was not the topic.... the Topic was about a WISP using cracked firmware on their equipment. legitimate user my butt :-)
 
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