Data bundle expiry illegal

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Voda(con) is ripping us off by allowing data bundles to expire after 30 days. This is in violation of Regulation 63(2) of the Consumer Protection Act (CPA).

63. (2) A prepaid certificate, card, credit, voucher or similar device does not expire until the earlier of—

(a) the date on which its full value has been redeemed in exchange for goods or services; or

(b) three years after the date on which it was issued, or at the end of a longer or extended period agreed by the supplier at any time.

(3) Any consideration paid by a consumer to a supplier in exchange for a prepaid certificate, card, credit, voucher or similar device is the property of the bearer of that certificate, card, credit, voucher or similar device.

The standard reply from Vodacon is that paying for a data bundle from airtime is different than paying with a voucher and that section of the Act don't apply to them. Vodacon spin doctors/lawyers, listen to yourselves and ask if this is reasonable and in accordance with the spirit of the CPA! Just because the method of payment differs doesn't mean you can add your own spin to the interpretation of the Act! What the consumer paid for, remains his, irrespective if it was paid with a voucher, from airtime, cash or credit card. That is plain common sense and a consumer right vested in the CPA.

Another spin is that once the airtime is converted to a data bundle, even from a voucher, it is considered redeemed and not subject to Reg 62 of CPA anymore. Vodacon is knowingly confusing the consumer with 2 issues here. One is the period you're allowed to sit with the unredeemed voucher or gift card, [Reg 63(2)(a)] and the second the period of usage once redeemed. In the first case, the CPA allows for a period of 3 years before the voucher or gift card expires. The Act don't specifically refers to the second case as it's common understanding that a data bundle, just like airtime (which ironically don't expire) or any goods bought, is a service or goods the customer paid for and is available for consumption by the customer over a period of his own choice, not the supplier's choice. It cannot be compared to a gym membership that has agreed start and end dates! A data bundle service ends when the consumer has consumed all the data of the bundle, just as airtime expires when all the airtime is consumed.

Another spin is:
"We are selling access to a service and the reason for this is that Vodacom buys data transmission capacity on both local and international ‘pipes’ and pays for this capacity upfront whether it is used by customers or not.
By encouraging customers to purchase the right data bundle size for a specific time period, Vodacom know roughly how much capacity is required.
Without this model, Vodacom would have to buy more capacity, “which would result in customers paying much higher prices”. Also, if the operator were to underestimate its capacity needs, its network would become congested."

How ridiculous! So Vodacon, answer the following:
What does your stats show, how many customers buy data bundle vouchers now for use in 6, 12 or 24 months? From own experience, when one buys a data bundle, it's because you want to use it now, duh! The gripe from users is about that 100 or 200MB balance at the end of the 30 days they stand to lose. This will actually cause congestion as everyone with a balance will try using their balance at month end before it expires.

Vodacon will also not know if a voucher still sits on a shop shelve or if it was bought but not redeemed. So there goes their argument of capacity planning.

You don't need to accept this unethical business practice anymore. Download the complaint form
http://www.nccsa.org.za/images/pdf/NCCComplaintFormDOCcomplainform2012.doc
and submit a complaint to the National Consumer Commission. Email to [email protected] or alternatively to ICASA [email protected]
 
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They should be asked to divulge how much revenue they generate from expired bundles, lost recharge vouchers etc.
 
You advocating this nonsense with the invariable consequence of more expensive prepaid data pricing. If you cannot manage you data allotment in the stipulated time frame then you are simply purchasing too much of it. There are benefits to the consumer and supplier with the status quo arrangements.
 
And what are those benefits? According to data bundle pricing, the cost per MB decreases as the size increase. What benefit is there to the consumer if he can't make use of the lower MB rate if he can't use his data for longer than 30 days?

You make it sound as if it's a sin to have a balance left over after 30 days. It's a greater sin to steal that unused balance.

Are you a Vodacon employee? Your response sounds like a Vodacon standard reply without any thought going into it.
 
You advocating this nonsense with the invariable consequence of more expensive prepaid data pricing. If you cannot manage you data allotment in the stipulated time frame then you are simply purchasing too much of it. There are benefits to the consumer and supplier with the status quo arrangements.

You're a ****ing idiot... It's blatantly illegal, vodacom just have better lawyers than the people who have challenged this(if anyone even has).
 
And what are those benefits? According to data bundle pricing, the cost per MB decreases as the size increase. What benefit is there to the consumer if he can't make use of the lower MB rate if he can't use his data for longer than 30 days?

You make it sound as if it's a sin to have a balance left over after 30 days. It's a greater sin to steal that unused balance.

Are you a Vodacon employee? Your response sounds like a Vodacon standard reply without any thought going into it.

What would the price plans become, if; the service provider has no clue what the demand will be in a determined time-frame? How will the service provider manage the demands without knowing what they are or potentially are? What effects would the above render to existing quality of service?

It's no crime, but we do have choice of service providers, if you unhappy with one then vote with your wallet, simple. Cell C, for example, have their prepaid data expire at the end of the following month.

Removing expiry dates for prepaid data will certainly not make it any cheaper, possibly more expensive.
 
You're a ****ing idiot... It's blatantly illegal, vodacom just have better lawyers than the people who have challenged this(if anyone even has).

You must be a little baby, requiring the law to mollycoddle you and your inability to manage your little data bundles. Grow a ****ing pair of balls - idiot.
 
How will Vodacon know if the voucher is still unsold with retailer or if it was bought and not redeemed, in order to do their "capacity planning"?

After a data bundle has been loaded or airtime converted to data bundle, Vodacon knows what's in the pipeline and must provide capacity, irrespective how long it takes the user to consume it. Vodacom, why cancel it, just buy more as you know what the data balances are that will be rolled over to the next month!

Why don't airtime expire and they don't have a problem to manage that capacity?

I don't use MTN as it's another rip-off and Cell C's coverage is inadequate.
 
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You advocating this nonsense with the invariable consequence of more expensive prepaid data pricing. If you cannot manage you data allotment in the stipulated time frame then you are simply purchasing too much of it. There are benefits to the consumer and supplier with the status quo arrangements.

lol, are you serious?

You sound like abused spouse suffering from stockholm syndrome. "It's my own fault for getting kicked in the face... I made him more cookies than he asked for"

As if purchasing too much data give them the right to steal from you..

"Nope! They should be allowed to break the law and STEAL from me.. I PURCHASED too much of it."

You must be a little baby, requiring the law to mollycoddle you and your inability to manage your little data bundles. Grow a ****ing pair of balls - idiot.

Nice... now go troll elsewhere.
 
lol, are you serious?

You sound like abused spouse suffering from stockholm syndrome. "It's my own fault for getting kicked in the face... I made him more cookies than he asked for"

As if purchasing too much data give them the right to steal from you..

"Nope! They should be allowed to break the law and STEAL from me.. I PURCHASED too much of it."



Nice... now go troll elsewhere.

You contract for 20mb data in the knowledge it expires in thirty days - it becomes theft when you lose that portion of unused data?

Get with the programme, the argument is not what the position now is, but what it may become should providers be forced to allow unused data to expire in say three years. Your argument has the mentality of a Lonmin striker - let's strike for 6 months, for better wages, only to lose my job after 12 months. Great!
 
You contract for 20mb data in the knowledge it expires in thirty days - it becomes theft when you lose that portion of unused data?

Get with the programme, the argument is not what the position now is, but what it may become should providers be forced to allow unused data to expire in say three years. Your argument has the mentality of a Lonmin striker - let's strike for 6 months, for better wages, only to lose my job after 12 months. Great!

Cool story bro.
 
How will Vodacon know if the voucher is still unsold with retailer or if it was bought and not redeemed, in order to do their "capacity planning"?
They know it of course. On the other side capacity planning is not excuse to not comply with the law.

Similiar story: ICASA already declared that all networks cellphone contracts did not comply with CPA. They tried to hold LTE bands allocation till this matter is resolved. What happened? Due to the 'customer' demand they gave up, no action was taken. So good luck! :)
 
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You contract for 20mb data in the knowledge it expires in thirty days - it becomes theft when you lose that portion of unused data?

Get with the programme, the argument is not what the position now is, but what it may become should providers be forced to allow unused data to expire in say three years. Your argument has the mentality of a Lonmin striker - let's strike for 6 months, for better wages, only to lose my job after 12 months. Great!

Appears you're suffering from Lonmin syndrome. Remove your head from the sand and do research on your consumer rights!
 
Yes. Airtime pricing per min is coming down in spite of no expiry date. It's logical the same will apply to data and the consumer will benefit.
 
Appears you're suffering from Lonmin syndrome. Remove your head from the sand and do research on your consumer rights!

Stop feeding the troll.

He's trying to point out that it's ok for vodacom to break the law because it results in lower prices for the consumer. He's right, it does. Therefore, vodacom shouldn't have to comply with the law in this case.

Where do you draw the line? Doesn't matter, they should be allowed to break the law so long as it results in better prices for the consumer. Vodacom should not be to blame for basing their pricing model on illegal actions.

It's the logic of a Lonmin Striker. Break the law (protest illegally, use violence, etc) in order to get better wages for all. It's ok break the law when it suits your needs.
 
Yes. Airtime pricing per min is coming down in spite of no expiry date. It's logical the same will apply to data and the consumer will benefit.

Voice calls are not sold as bundled packages. My understanding is that data bundled packages are sold off at a discount because of the limitations on them. Remove the limitation then the discount well be removed too. The alternative we have is no bundles at a premium price of R2/mb, we have choices.
 
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