Dealing with depression

This thread is getting confusing. Those currently on depression medication seem to be very angry at those who suggest alternatives to medication as a possible solution. Yet, at the same time, they seem to be in agreement that these alternatives may be a solution.

There also seems to be assumptions that those who do not immediately recommend the medication route have never experienced anxiety, depression or any other mental conditions before. These assumptions are not necessarily true. Being on medication for depression does not automatically make you more of an expert either.

And finally, my view on depression medication is the same as for any other pill popping. Don't choose the pill option first. To lose weight don't pop a pill, rather exercise, change your diet. To recover from an ailment, don't immediately pop antibiotics, first try other solutions and use those as a last resort. And the same with depression, first try the exercise route, the lifestyle change and the like. In all these scenarios you may well end up going down the route of popping that pill but what harm is there in trying the other solutions first.
 
I think it would be obvious to anyone reading the OP's post that he is suffering from a stress related situation and not depression, and yet it seems like only the people who claim to understand depression picked up on that. Could it be that they know what they are talking about ?
And yes, I suffer from depression.
 
I think it would be obvious to anyone reading the OP's post that he is suffering from a stress related situation and not depression, and yet it seems like only the people who claim to understand depression picked up on that. Could it be that they know what they are talking about ?
And yes, I suffer from depression.

Really? Those suffering from depression seem to have been quickest to suggest medication. Those who apparently don't were quicker to suggest confronting his issues, getting exercise and looking at his diet.

And again, just because someone is not on medication does not mean that they have not experienced depression and know what it is about. Perhaps for this reason they are better qualified to advise on alternative remedies.
 
Really? Those suffering from depression seem to have been quickest to suggest medication. Those who apparently don't were quicker to suggest confronting his issues, getting exercise and looking at his diet.

And again, just because someone is not on medication does not mean that they have not experienced depression and know what it is about. Perhaps for this reason they are better qualified to advise on alternative remedies.
If you go and read again,you'll see that 2 of those posters that 'claim' to understand depression told the OP that pills will not help him.
 
If you plan on taking out any life insurance policies within the next few years, do so before pursuing psychiatric treatment.
 
@ jacqvt

You need to compartmentalize more, your life between work, home and family is way to entertwined.

There is no space between one or the other. You need to create some sort of space between them.

You are dealing with family issues at work, taking the same issues home with you to your own family and on top of all that trying to maintain a family run business.
You need to learn to deal with your folks after hours and w/ends
Deal with your business at work.
Have quality time with your wife and kids, and do not discuss the business at home with your wife, this must be a joint decision.
 
Really? Those suffering from depression seem to have been quickest to suggest medication.

What I saw mostly (and which matched my own advice) is that OP sounds like he has a situational issue, rather than a physiological one. That said, depression can be aided by medication, and has helped many folk, myself included.

OP was counselled to seek professional help, not to blindly pop pills as you seem to be fixated on suggesting.

Those who apparently don't were quicker to suggest confronting his issues, getting exercise and looking at his diet.

I don't think anyone in this thread disagreed with this advice.
 
This thread is getting confusing. Those currently on depression medication seem to be very angry at those who suggest alternatives to medication as a possible solution.

When people suggest that real clinical depression can be treated without medication (possible, of course, but no guarantee) - It ****s me off immensely, because, again, I took that sort of advice for years, and wasted many years in torment.

It's pretty clear that in relation to OP's issue, most think it's situational - Which is why everyone is suggesting A) wholesome lifestyle changes, and B) a professional opinion.

Yet, at the same time, they seem to be in agreement that these alternatives may be a solution.

Who are the people who are telling Op to pop pills?

There also seems to be assumptions that those who do not immediately recommend the medication route have never experienced anxiety, depression or any other mental conditions before. These assumptions are not necessarily true. Being on medication for depression does not automatically make you more of an expert either.

There are many people who have an aversion to treating depression medicinally - If you have severe depression that cannot be dealt with sans medication, we do in fact have a better practical knowledge, for obvious reasons. It's different for everyone, hence, again, why most folk suggested seeing a professional.

And finally, my view on depression medication is the same as for any other pill popping. Don't choose the pill option first. To lose weight don't pop a pill, rather exercise, change your diet. To recover from an ailment, don't immediately pop antibiotics, first try other solutions and use those as a last resort. And the same with depression, first try the exercise route, the lifestyle change and the like. In all these scenarios you may well end up going down the route of popping that pill but what harm is there in trying the other solutions first.

I don't think anyone would disagree with this, it's perfectly sensible. Some people need more than that is all we are pointing out, and also, that medication can be the thing that helps kickstart a healthier lifestyle, after which the stuff can be safely discontinued.
 
This thread is getting confusing. Those currently on depression medication seem to be very angry at those who suggest alternatives to medication as a possible solution. Yet, at the same time, they seem to be in agreement that these alternatives may be a solution.

There also seems to be assumptions that those who do not immediately recommend the medication route have never experienced anxiety, depression or any other mental conditions before. These assumptions are not necessarily true. Being on medication for depression does not automatically make you more of an expert either.

And finally, my view on depression medication is the same as for any other pill popping. Don't choose the pill option first. To lose weight don't pop a pill, rather exercise, change your diet. To recover from an ailment, don't immediately pop antibiotics, first try other solutions and use those as a last resort. And the same with depression, first try the exercise route, the lifestyle change and the like. In all these scenarios you may well end up going down the route of popping that pill but what harm is there in trying the other solutions first.

Yeah it's kind of the OP's life problems plus a debate on the merits of medication all rolled up into one.
 
Depression can be greatly helped by pills, and it pisses me the **** off when people say otherwise - I suffered and slogged through a decade of misery because I took advice like that.

That said, this chap sounds like he has situational issues - And in that case, of course, no pill is going to fix that.

this.
 
Yes, it's common for meds to have side effects, but I've known the guy for a while. .

I wasn't referring to your friend, what I meant was that people doesn't have depression because their thyroid is wonky / malfunctioning, that is just/ could be (a symptom) how depression “ manifest’s ” (waarneembaar)in the body, otherwise tears/sadness would be caused by a over active/wonky, tear gland, or at least that is what a doctor will ‘discover’ if they have to find a reason for tears, if they look at just the physical symptoms(looking at a medical reason) and not psychological/emotional symptoms(if they never knew that you create tears(cry) because you are sad(or happy)

or how is it possible that you are so lucky to gather 50 or 100 or 200 people , that ALMOST ALL of the people gathered (excluding cases like Griekwastad) (99.999%) have over active tear gland syndrome(cry), and why is it usually the wife/parents/ children/ brothers/sisters, with the most severe , over active tear gland syndrome(crying), and then the uncles and ants with a lesser degree of over active tear gland syndrome(crying), and friends and acquaintances with less or almost no over active tear gland syndrome , when you are at a funeral ,

In the same way as crying is not formed by a over active tear gland, but by sadness/happiness, depression isn't caused by a under active thyroid, but by something emotional/spiritual, your chemicals in the body goes out of sync/balance because of that emotional/spiritual condition, and because that isn't right you get depression which looks like out of balance chemicals.

When you are sick and have a cold or flu, you drink med lemon/corenca C and you get well ,AND DONT HAVE SICKNESS/FLU any more,
when you have a headache you take a disprin and the headache disappears, (sickness being healed with a pill)

why is it with depression, when you drink the pills you dont get well/aka stop being sick, why when you stop tacking antidepressants you get depressed again after a while, depression isnt a sickness it is emotional/spiritual

Remember a psychiatrist/ kop dokter is in a catch 22 situation , they cant heal you because then you wont come back (they loose business ) , they cant over supply you with medication because you might drink everything and die (and they loose business), they have to keep you coming back so that they can have bread on the table :)
 
why is it with depression, when you drink the pills you dont get well/aka stop being sick, why when you stop tacking antidepressants you get depressed again after a while, depression isnt a sickness it is emotional/spiritual

Because there is an existing chemical imbalance...

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Do you also think schizophrenia, or Obsessive Compulsive Disorder are just conditions that can be wished away?
 
Who says you cant get better with pharmaceuticals ?

Ive treated successfully 100s of patients with depression in my career so far.

There is always the surgical route
 
Because there is an existing chemical imbalance...

*edit*

Do you also think schizophrenia, or Obsessive Compulsive Disorder are just conditions that can be wished away?

While you are correct, i would have to say 90% of people on anti depressants do not need them. They get handed out like candy. When a GP is writing scripts for anything you ask and giving what he thinks might help you know the system is broken.

Please note i thumb sucked the 90% but it seems to me if you are feeling sad people will try put you on anti depressants, if your life is not going well have a pill, if your g/f broke up with you get on some candy.

It's worse than illegal drugs in my opinion.

Riax how have you treated people if i may ask? I thought you worked as a pharmacist.
 
While you are correct, i would have to say 90% of people on anti depressants do not need them. They get handed out like candy. When a GP is writing scripts for anything you ask and giving what he thinks might help you know the system is broken.

For sure, I am not arguing this fact. Big money in those drugs.

Please note i thumb sucked the 90% but it seems to me if you are feeling sad people will try put you on anti depressants, if your life is not going well have a pill, if your g/f broke up with you get on some candy.

It's worse than illegal drugs in my opinion.

I don't think antidepressants are a big issue really - They don't do anything 'nice', aside from helping with real depression (and with that, often severe side effects).

As I mentioned earlier, it's tranqs and sleeping pills that are a serious ****ing issue - That **** is just as enjoyable and intense as many 'street drugs'.
 
Shucks, this thread grew large today. I've read through all, leaving me really confusing. To be honest, I dont reallly like the fact of taking pills, just thought it might help me.

So some say it's a situation problem. Yes, it is, I know. Like today I felt like coping better again, tomorrow something happen that triggers the downfall again, like this week where that person told me how bad "we" treat our people. It really hit me hard, especially because I know I had nothing to do with what happened.

Then my dad told me that the Cylift he is on helped him coping better, with problems he also couldn't change.

Things is, I talked to my dad many many times this past 2 years. After every fight we made up, and I told him how I felt. But always it's the same old story many older people have. They've done it, so you can too. He is not a person one can negotiate with. One day he will keep on and on arguing till one gave up, and the next day quite the opposite, leaving me feeling so guilty. Like today, I felt a lot better than yesterday. My dad came to work very late, complaining about how sick he feels. he is a diabetic, has heart problems, back pain, etc. And I felt so very sorry for him, for the fact that he feels like this, and still came to work. But on the other hand I told him so many times before to stay at home more often, enjoy life a bit. But no, he just wont do it. Then the next moment he upsets so many people that I wish him away.

For now I am definitely going to see about my diet, not that I need a diet, but less coffee and junk will do. We as a family will try to go out more, my children will enjoy it I know. I yes also try not to talk work at home, but thats difficult...

You know, I have so much to be thankful for, and yet one is not always "able" to see it all.
 
Do you get regular exercise? I know it is often the last thing someone feels like doing but in my experience it really does work. Get out there and ride a bike or run.

I second that. Did the whole medication thing, landed up making me so lazy. Landed up doing the above and works like a charm. If I don't I can feel I get all uptight etc after a few days.
 
jacqvt I still don't know whether you do your job because you love working with meat or you do it to have a income at the end of the month , or whether your are “helping” your dad, as you haven't answered that, one thing I “discovered” with depression is that I have never seen somebody with depression that enjoys their job/occupation, (not that I have seen so many with depression, I am just speaking for myself, and what I observe from family members with depression, I am not talking about people that have a depression and take’s the pills and are fixed and dont need pills anymore(that could be a chemical imbalance that are fixed by the pills, I'm talking about returning depression(getting depressed Again after you stopped using your pills) I have a family member that suffers from (“returning”) depression, who where told/made to study marketing and tourism, even though this member wanted to go into a sporting career as this person is crazy about sports, there was never something wrong (PERFECTLY HAPPY)with this person growing up, in school, and in college, this depression only showed its ugly head after this member had worked in a tourism/marketing environment for a few years

I also did a marketing course as my father has something about marketing (and tourism), I knew i did not want to do it, but I wasnt raised in a democracy, so I knew that what I wanted/felt like doing would not be good enough, as my dad had a few farms and a company I had to help run eventually, so didnt even bothered to tell what I want to do, partly as thats how I was brought up as well (die laaitie gaan eendag die plaas ens oorvat .... ) what did I know how careers work, thats probably how it is , so I just accepted it and studied what I had to,I eventually ended up at one of the businesses( at the operations side) and worked there for a few years, and hated every minute of it,feeling very down, even though I think I was fairly ok (aka good) at what I did, but I was not made/cut to work with people, and did not treat them properly , which I am ashamed of today in hindsight. I was more like a machine, do this, do that, open this, close that, tell this one to do this,that one to do that, switch this machine on , switch that one off.


I think just because you can do a job( and do it good) doesn't mean it is THE JOB(occupation) for you, everybody can wash a car and get it clean, to some men it is spending the whole saturday morning getting the chamois and polish out and spitting and polishing and shinning( they love cleaning their car) and to others it is a quick wash with a old rag 10 minutes and they are finished.


I finally decided to leave the job and are now pursuing what some would call a passion I call it a talent/skeppings doel, I never knew what I wanted to do, because I was told that I will follow in my dads foorprints :) , but ever since I was a child ,I had this burning in me to photograph stuff, I can remember in school I wanted to join the photo club at school but never did (as it was not good enough/didn't met my parent requirements, as I had a family member who was in to photography but wasnt ‘much loved’ so I presumed photography is out of the option) I just had this burning desire in me to take photo’s, never realizing that perhaps this should be my career, after studying I wondered what would I do, would I go into this or that, (even though it was clear as day that I will work for my dad whatever it take), but was still unsure, so I dreamed of doing this career and that career,one of it was even starting a 7-11 shop as they were popping up all over the show at the time, but I just had in my mind how I will take photos of the shop and send it overseas to my family that they can see it( that photo thing again) ,again in hind sight I can see that had I started a 7-11 it would have been for the wrong reasons. it eventually dawned on me that maybe I should do something photographically

I have another family member who ‘s brother in law is qualified as a graphic designer (and enjoy’s it) but work’s in a completely different field, I dont know why he does this job whether the pay is better , or whether he couldn't get a graphic design job, needles to say he is also on antidepressants.......

and one or two more with depression that is in the wrong job.....

struggling and stuff, I have since discovered God, even though I wont call myself a super christian (and are unsure if what has been taught ( jy mag nie rook/drink/steel nie ens.) in some afrikaans churches in the past are really Jesus/God, I think christianity also includes your career)

there is this verse in the Mathew 11 , 28 kom na my toe , almal wat vermoeid en belas is, en Ek sal julle rus gee. 29 neem my juk op julle en leer van My.......30 want my juk is sag en my las is lig.

and as it is with translation some things are lost, I have often wondered if that verse doesnt say,
kom na my toe almal wat g@tvol(kaapse afrikaans) en depresief is, doen wat ek wil he jy moet doen, dit sal jou nie aftrek en teneergedruk(depresief) maak nie

I am a lot happier now that I am moving toward photography, in fact while busy with it I forget how bad life is and everything is just a pleasure, and there is no mountain high enough to climb to get to a photo, and the future is net rooskleurig, even though I dont know where my next money will come from , but Im sure He will supply, as he has been doing for the past few months

Im not very clued up on cars, but think you can compare people to these new bluetech mercedes( or equivalent) that needs a additive with the petrol at some regular services ( the car is being used as it is designed), without the additive you will still be able to drive but eventually you will stuff the engines up( not driving as the car is designed).


I think if you are in God’s calling for your life, the chemicals(like the stuff the bluetech mercedes needs) that are needed in your brain (to keep you from getting depressed) are automatically replenished (by God), and you keep happy, if you are not in your calling those chemicals are not automatically replenished , and I think those chemicals are released in a different way for each person according to your calling, just like a 1,6 liter engine will need a different amount that a 3liter engine, if you are supposed to be a farmer , the chemicals will not be released if you do a office job, the passion for farming triggers your chemicals,and the guy in the office job wont have his chemicals released by farming
should you be a pilot, driving a truck will not release the chemicals because your ‘engine’(body) needs flying to release the chemicals, and the truck driver wont have his chemicals released by flying
If often wondered if depres. isnt their to make you “search for more” in life , to find God, but the easier way is to get medecine, not that Im saying you do/dont know God its just something I have wondered about

Many children are taught: trou vir geld en werk vir liefde in a joking way , but words have power, and then the parents are confused when the child eventually get divorced, likewise manny are told to get a job that brings the money in, all about money , and nothing about
 
whats your calling/passion etc, I person(parent) that is in his calling(occupation) doing something he likes doesnt necessarily realizes that other people could be unhappy in the same job and doesnt think about being happy as they are happy, and could then advise something with a good pay to a child not thinking that its not the child's line/direction

I cant remember the complete story but I have heard of a man that had to be a attorney, even though he wanted to become a plumber because his parents said he had to do the job ‘with the money’ he was extremely unhappy all his life and when he went on pension he became a plumber and was the happiest man.

I have since come to the conclusion that there are roughly 3 jobs(occupations), probably more, one can pursue

1) the job your parents want you to do( like the teacher you had at school who’s soul was not in the job, his body was infront of the class, but his mind/soul was somewhere else, one of those that grew up in the era of, you either become a doctor, a dominee, a teacher or you go and work for the government, or any job that sounds good/important to your parents, so that they can say “ MY ” son/daughter” is a Doctor/Professor/Engineer ...)

2) a job that sound romantic/idealistic, good pay/status to you
(something that will boost your ego, when deciding what you're going to do with your life you hear that a advocate makes plenty money, and you can already see yourself in a robe parading in the court winning cases and you already started building your new house in some expensive neighborhood in your mind, bought a porsche and everything is sorted, you just need to do it, or living on a farm sounds smart , you are going to be a farmer, or banking sounds interesting, so you become a wealthy banker in your mind etc.)never really discovering who you are and what makes you tick,

or people want to be famous, you hear them on (afrikaans)radio as well, they can broadcast, they get the message across but with no passion in their voice



3) OR you can find your calling and do that and be HAPPY, as happiness are not necessarily found in the first two



People ,rather than finding their passion get into a (“romantic”) job buy a car, get accounts, and before they know whether they like the job they are so deep in that they cant get out and decide ‘ek moet maar deurdruk” and I think thats when depression creeps in

Reading that your dad is on anti depressants, got back problems and diabetes , and if its true how your dad speaks to / treat the staff ( and knowing how i did to our staff) I suspect that the fault is not with your staff( and your dad might think that the problem is with everybody around him(like I did), but that your dad might be in a job that he is not cut out to be, even though he might know how to do the job with his eyes shut, and know all the secrets of the trade, it might be that he just isnt a butcher, he might like biltong but is he a butcher, if your dad are in the job he were created to do he will have a lot of passion/energy for the job and it will not ‘kill’ (drein die lewe uit jou uit) him
I suspect your dad is not in his calling, do him a favour and sell the butchery, it might relieve him (and your mom) from the depression, and if he has relationship problems with his brother after being in business with your dad fix that as well


I suspect many people on antidepressants might be chasing after money/status etc. and just need to do their calling and things will fall into place much easier and the money will come by it self rather than you having to go get it

interesting read on the causes of some diseases www.mindsync.com/lam/root.htm scroll down to the bottom where they list them (dont let the top of the page put you of)

most important are YOU sure you like (love, its a passion, want to do it till the day you die) butching (dont know what being a butcher is , are called) ?
because in the end your relationships will suffer from that.

P.S. most children doesn't really need/want a new playstation,xbox ,iPod, iPhone , flatscreen tv in their room, thats what parents buy to feel less guilty because they dont spend time with their kids,need to drive in a porche, at the end they just want time with their parents

this is just my impressions of depression .
 
P.S. most children doesn't really need/want a new playstation,xbox ,iPod, iPhone , flatscreen tv in their room

Speak for yourself. My dad worked all the damn time and I didn't have any of those things growing up :/

at the end they just want time with their parents

Again, not so sure about that. When my dad wasn't working he was generally an *******.
 
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