Death by AIDS prohibited

kilo39 said:
Dude lying in hospital on a life-support machine. Machine is turned off. What killed him?

Dude picks up a virus; then catches a cold. He dies. What killed him?

Semantics seeking to hide the real truth.

(Personal privacy is one thing: aids statistics are another.) We should know the true figures of people dying of aids (otherwise it is even more of a fiasco.)

All peeps signing up for government health care should be required to do an aids test (this would be an even better measure.)
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Oh come on man, read the thread and the links. What are you missing.

AIDS CAN AND SHOULD BE RECORDED FOR STATISTICAL PURPOSES.

He was wrong, why are you not getting this???????
 
It is a Medically proven FACT that you cannot die from AIDS, no state pathologist can change that FACT without research and peer reviews. He overstepped his position and is now being punished. This should never have even hit the local newspaper never mind national news.
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Isn't is a medically proven FACT that you can't die from the COMMON COLD?
(unless old, infirm, or sick - from something ELSE)

Um, Cause of Death: Common Cold.

PLEAZE
 
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In Part 1 the diseases, injuries or complications that caused the death are listed. The immediate cause of death (final disease or condition resulting in death) is stated first (Part 1a). The conditions leading to the immediate cause of death are then listed sequentially and the underlying cause of death is entered last (please refer to the examples of death certification on page 15).
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Immediate cause of death (final disease or condition): AIDS
Conditions leading to death: TB, common cold
Underlying: compromised immune system
 
kilo39 said:
Isn't is a medically proven FACT that you can't die from the COMMON COLD?
(unless old, infirm, or sick - from something ELSE)

Um, Cause of Death: Common Cold.

PLEAZE
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You can die of a cold if you decide to play sport or run a marathon while you are ill. It puts too much strain on your heart.
HIV is a virus, a retro-virus. I don't see any reason why the doctor shouldn't list it. If untreated, the virus compromises the immune system causing a syndrome called AIDS and kills the patient. There is no known cure and probably never will be. Come to think of it, there is no cure for the common cold either!

The reason given for excluding it is "privacy". Well the patient is dead so what does he care??
 
In terms of Life Insurance Payments, what happens when it’s known to the insurance company that the cause of death was aids?

Skeptik said:
The reason given for excluding it is "privacy". Well the patient is dead so what does he care??
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Most times, Privacy is a family decision. As long as the stigma exists, those decisions should be honored even after the person dies.
 
I have a doctor for a friend. The doctor tells me the way you write on a death certificate is as follows (someone even joked about it earlier).

Death by: excessive bleeding
due to: gun shot
due to: -

So they should write on the death certificate (and this doctor friend of mine does - i think):

Death by: TB
due to: immune breakdown
due to: HIV infection

In that way the stats can be recorded correctly. It is shocking to hear from the doctor how many aids patients are treated each day and how many of them actually die each day.

EDIT: Sorry if i repeated anything that people have already said
 
koosbeer said:
I have a doctor for a friend. The doctor tells me the way you write on a death certificate is as follows (someone even joked about it earlier).

Death by: excessive bleeding
due to: gun shot
due to: -

So they should write on the death certificate (and this doctor friend of mine does - i think):

Death by: TB
due to: immune breakdown
due to: HIV infection

In that way the stats can be recorded correctly. It is shocking to hear from the doctor how many aids patients are treated each day and how many of them actually die each day.

EDIT: Sorry if i repeated anything that people have already said
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Correct. The second reason filled in is used for statistical purposes.
 
Death certificates are never counted - the data is already on the PC (or other paper system). The certificate is the public document. But death due to aids is generally controversial - as with the insurance payout issue.
 
what is also missing here is that the doctor is not only being charged for not filling in the form correctly, but for not examining the body before filling it in, this is gross negligence, and is being dealt internally by the HPCSA

Doctor charged with misconduct 23/11/2006 19:27:20

The Health Professions Council of SA says a doctor who claims he is being prosecuted for putting Aids as a cause of death has been charged with professional misconduct.

The charge sheet says he is accused of recording Aids on the first part of the death register without proper evidence and/or examining the body of the deceased.

Dr Leon Wagner, the former chief pathologist of the Free State claims his case could be a watershed, as he should not be forced to lie and say Aids was not the cause of death. The Aids Law Project's Fatima Hassan says it is an odd case.
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Source
 
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IMHO a person would have been diagnosed as having AIDS. Test results would only have indicated what final condition led to the life stopping. It does not matter what other infection you died from, the root cause is AIDS.

Aids disable the immune system so it cannot be defending when attacked. In the process other infections flourish. As the AIDS virus infects all your immune system bodies, you are totally incapable of defending yourself.

Although I do not think it was intended so, the modern day version of the “War of the Worlds” summed it up well. The Martians were not able to defend themselves against the viruses we have on Earth.

You die of a gunshot wound not the hemorrhaging that actually caused the death. Also so from a knife wound. You die of AIDS as the root cause, not the last infection you had as a cause of AIDS disabling your immune system.

As far as the insurance, it is easy for them to determine your death was through AIDS as it is a recognized death in the actuary sciences. Your blood samples would show it months before you died. Dying of AIDS is not sudden. Most properly the person anyway had the insurance lapsed due to lack of meeting payments, as most AIDS victims are incapable to work for years before death..

I saw someone for the first time in my life on Thursday that has full blown AIDS. A 6’4” skeleton of a man in his early 20’s. A walking corpse.

Ideologically AIDS is not a good word in Africa. Point is that although Black Africans are now the hardest hit, it is also going to hit the White Africans just as hard. It has already started.

Mixing words and semantics on AIDS serves no purpose.

Put the cause of death as AIDS – it is the right thing to do.
 
Except - what happens for instance when you are poisoned and you are in the advanced stages of AIDS?
 
I remember reading once that 100% of human deaths so far has all been caused by lack of oxygen to the brain causing the brain to go .....braindead :)

So in reality you'd need three fields.
Cause of death: Lack of oxygen to the brain.
Contributing factor: Gunshot wound
Mitigating factor: Decapitation
 
Maybe it's me, but I dont care if Aids or TB killed my friend/family member/whoever. They died, and just as I would offer my simpathy to you for you lost of a friend/family member/whoever, I would hope that you would do the same for me.
People keep focusing of the oh so taboo subject of how AIDS is a sex/gay only thing. You all know that this is not so, even the bigots and veggie sellers out there know this.

So how is this? My friend the "Bum Bandit" die of Aids and I really miss him, do you feel sorry for me or should I burn in hell for having a friend like that ?
 
lol

Balstrome said:
Maybe it's me, but I dont care if Aids or TB killed my friend/family member/whoever. They died, and just as I would offer my simpathy to you for you lost of a friend/family member/whoever, I would hope that you would do the same for me.
People keep focusing of the oh so taboo subject of how AIDS is a sex/gay only thing. You all know that this is not so, even the bigots and veggie sellers out there know this.

So how is this? My friend the "Bum Bandit" die of Aids and I really miss him, do you feel sorry for me or should I burn in hell for having a friend like that ?
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How ironic is it to go around spitting hatred for others calling them bigots and homophobes. I think someone went OT in this thread.
 
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