Debian 12 Bookworm

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I thought I'd give this a go.

I initially installed the system via the base installer with KDE Plasma via the VMWare Workstation Player into a VM.

Then I proceeded to download the debian-live-12.0.0-amd64-kde.iso and put it onto a USB. I had to disable secure boot and fast boot in the BIOS, otherwise the USB would not be listed under the bootable devices on the laptop.

After booting the "LiveCD" I proceeded to install from there, however; I don't have ample space on this laptop and I need Windows for work applications so I installed it onto 64GB USB (a bit small, I know).

For anyone wanting to do the same, you have to create a FAT32 partition of at least 300MB for the mount point of /boot/efi and flag it as boot otherwise your USB will not boot even though the installation may finish. I split the root partition from the /home as 25GB for / and ~32GB for /home.

The install took much longer than it did from VM. The installer did create a Windows entry in the Grub menu, so I can boot from Windows 11 on the internal SSD if necessary, or simply remove the USB before powering on the system to get into Windows.

However, after the installation finished the system is quite rapid. I proceeded to install the Nvidia drivers as per https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers

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So far I'm impressed with it. I have not been using Linux much for some time now but this is quite "modern" for a Debian stable OS. Wifi also works out of the box.

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As you can see from the previous screenshot, I installed Steam without issues and installed Civ 5 to test. I can't really install many other games due to limited disk space. The game runs very smoothly on max settings.

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The only issue I have, which I did not encounter through the virtual machine was that my mouse scroll wheel is not working. I'm not sure if the fact the OS is run from a USB has anything to do with it.

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Anyway, just thought I'd share this here. The installer for the LiveCD differs significantly from the base .iso installer (desktop anyway). I'm not sure what the installer looks like when booting from the LiveCD image and proceeding to install without booting the live disk.

I'll see if OBS works next, since it wouldn't work within the VM.
 
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@netstrider

I also had to disable Secure Boot and Fast Boot in bios, as well as change what the closing of lid does (in Windows. Turn of fast start for it.)

As with all recent Distro's including Debian, I only create one partition in Windows.

With the Debian installer I do a manual install, select the partition I created, and then let the installer create boot and swap partitions automatically. There is no need for me to create the FAT32 partition. That method works.

All the Ubuntu 22 versions work this way, except Lubuntu, where I have to use the method you subscribe.

Can you try that as well if possible?

By the way, I use Cinnamon as desktop. Want to use KDE, but there are some apps like Synaptic which if you set KDE themes to dark mode, which looks a bit weird.

I tried to play with GTK2/3 settings in KDE settings, but no joy.
 
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It's worth pointing out..... the Civ5 port is kindof atrocious but it's a good effort compared to many other ports.
 
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DB12 has the benifit of having the last LTS of the 5.x KDE branch..... DB11 was kindof a sh-tshow there. So most bugs would have been fixed out of the box.

Gonna wait for MX Linux to move to DB12 before I give it another go.... hopefully my freak HW problem will have been sorted by the changes to the PC I made.
 
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Gandalf the Gray said:
@netstrider

I also had to disable Secure Boot and Fast Boot in bios, as well as change what the closing of lid does (in Windows. Turn of fast start for it.)

As with all recent Distro's including Debian, I only create one partition in Windows.

With the Debian installer I do a manual install, select the partition I created, and then let the installer create boot and swap partitions automatically. There is no need for me to create the FAT32 partition. That method works.

All the Ubuntu 22 versions work this way, except Lubuntu, where I have to use the method you subscribe.

Can you try that as well if possible?

By the way, I use Cinnamon as desktop. Want to use KDE, but there are some apps like Synaptic which if you set KDE themes to dark mode, which looks a bit weird.

I tried to play with GTK2/3 settings in KDE settings, but no joy.
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That usually works, yes. It worked like that on the VM with the standard installer.

I think my USB was already formatted differently and was set to MBR instead of GPT. I reformat them almost on a daily basis for different OS recoveries for work purposes. Pretty sure if I fiddled around and just cleared the USB that may have been an option.

I would use Linux Mint Debian edition for Cinnamon probably.

OBS still won't record screen due to Pipewire/Wayland issues which I don't feel like delving into deeper at the moment.

The LiveCD funnily enough launches the Live OS on X but once installed it uses Wayland.
 
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rambo919 said:
It's worth pointing out..... the Civ5 port is kindof atrocious but it's a good effort compared to many other ports.
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I've had CSGO work well before so I'm sure if I had enough space it would run fine.
 
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netstrider said:
I only have about 3 games that run on Linux in my library, and of my library, I only play CSGO from time to time even when on Windows.
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Oh there are many.... just that most of them are not graphically demanding. There are exceptions of course, sometimes your problem is an older GPU that the OEM does not really want to support anymore like the nVidia 1k series. nVidia is notorious for crappy Linux support but it's slowly getting better.

The same old rule applies, the newest games probably won't run well or at all and the older one's get better over time as people tinker with the runtimes.

I have noticed this weird Unity Engine specific problem on my rig where there is this laaaag that can't decide whether it wants to be there or not.

And then there is this other bug where fullscreen mode crashes because wine cant set the resolution.... which means the mouse does not lock to the screen when you are forced to run it in windowed mode. Will get fixed eventually probably.
 
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I managed to install Debian 12 on Macbook air early 2015. I had hoped that with non-free firmware included in the installation iso image the wifi card would work out of the box. It didn't but the work around wasn't complicated. Synaptic had all the required packages.
 
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Proxmox 8 also released, Debian Bookworm.
Upgrade from 7-8 went seamless.
 
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So my Nvidia drivers, while it was installed, didn't really work properly. Had to force it to use Nvidia all the time since the laptop also has a built-in Intel card.

I have managed to do that and it's working well now.

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I also migrated to the Cinnamon desktop so I can use X11 because I cannot change my resolution to 1920 x 1080 with Wayland because the laptop monitor is actually a 4K screen but only at 48Hz. Had to manually edit xsessionrc and use xrandr to create a 1920 x 1080 profile at 48Hz.

The desktop is now running at the appropriate resolution.

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Also set up the laptop to boot into RetroArch which emulates pretty much anything from within one interface. Currently have the NES and PS2 cores loaded and some games.

Had to load the PS2 firmware in order to get the PS2 core working.

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NES

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PS2

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kolaval said:
You recon that based on what?
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All their policy changes in the last few years including the forcing of snap unto everything.... I don't think it's going to be so very long before there is just so much work excising all the enterprise solutions out of it that it's easier to just use plain Debian as a base.

And their little adventures in telemetry which has been slowly alienating people.... which ONLY make sense for enterprise.

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I'll argue ubuntu(and by extension mint) has done more to bring linux to the masses than any other distro.
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They have but also because of their shift of attention in the last decade away from desktops.... they havent done anything for it and probably wont again. There are just too many little end user problems that have popped up that SHOULD already have been fixed by now.
 
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