Denmark Wants to Dump Microsoft Software for Linux, LibreOffice

longboy said:
I use FreeIPA. Took a little while to setup and tweak but it's more effecient and useful than Azure now.
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How do you find the interoperability with M365 organisations? I think this would be the biggest challenge
 
You can tether 2 old phones and run an app on it and call it "the cloud, don`t need Azure". But for any government or any business, Azure and AWS is the only 2 choices. So if Denmark really wants to move away from Microsoft, then they need to move away from Azure to AWS, since Linux VM is very widely used in Azure.

I have seen this before, I call it the "anti-Microsoft romance", but this romance tends to be short lived since putting your eggs in the Microsoft basket is an excellent choice, if not the best choice.
 
Mzezman said:
How do you find the interoperability with M365 organisations? I think this would be the biggest challenge
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What do you mean? Externally?

We are a Google Workspace company and this generally is a non-problem with all things being cloud based these days.

Our auditors and so on simply get access to a Google Drive and they need to work the way we do.

I mean granted this is one commercial product compared to another, so the Libreoffice challenge still remains but I haven’t looked at that in years.

Also from a cloud infrastructure perspective it shouldn’t really matter to a third party where it runs or what it runs on as the end points remain the same.
 
Benedict A55h0le not said:
You can tether 2 old phones and run an app on it and call it "the cloud, don`t need Azure". But for any government or any business, Azure and AWS is the only 2 choices. So if Denmark really wants to move away from Microsoft, then they need to move away from Azure to AWS, since Linux VM is very widely used in Azure.

I have seen this before, I call it the "anti-Microsoft romance", but this romance tends to be short lived since putting your eggs in the Microsoft basket is an excellent choice, if not the best choice.
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Not really. I mean you could entirely host your own infrastructure without AWS or Azure.

What it runs on is really irrelevant to the person using the system.

And there’s GCP and plenty of other options too, but ultimately it all comes down to use case.

Not everyone needs to have everything in the (public) cloud either. If hosting your own makes the most sense then so be it.
 
Good luck training all the end users, and good luck to the support teams.
 
dumbest idea ever lol. you don't have to love Microsoft ( i don't) to know they have the corporate and office ecosystems down to a T.
They'll waste insane amounts of money on this, but its their mistake to find out lol. I wish them well.
 
neoprema said:
dumbest idea ever lol. you don't have to love Microsoft ( i don't) to know they have the corporate and office ecosystems down to a T.
They'll waste insane amounts of money on this, but its their mistake to find out lol. I wish them well.
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Plenty of companies doing just fine without Microsoft.
 
neoprema said:
I wish them well :)
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I will admit, a migration from a Microsoft shop to something else is a whole different kind of **** show.

Most of the businesses I know that aren’t on the Microsoft wagon never started there in the first place, or were breakaways that needed to start fresh anyway.
 
SauRoNZA said:
Not really. I mean you could entirely host your own infrastructure without AWS or Azure.

What it runs on is really irrelevant to the person using the system.

And there’s GCP and plenty of other options too, but ultimately it all comes down to use case.

Not everyone needs to have everything in the (public) cloud either. If hosting your own makes the most sense then so be it.
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Actually really. Of course you are free to run your software anywhere you like, but the best options are Azure or AWS.

The person using the system is just 1 aspect of many that is relevant. Moot point.

GCP is not up to scratch, and use case is also mostly irrelevant, since Azure and AWS basically has the same capabilities and service offerings. This use case is a government system, and from my experience it looks like Azure is the best choice for government use cases.

I am actually not even talking about public cloud, I am talking about private cloud, since this use case is a government system. Yes you can host it all yourself, but that is an inferior and outdated option. When is hosting your own better today? Never.

The best option for governments today is to use Azure private cloud.
 
Benedict A55h0le not said:
Actually really. Of course you are free to run your software anywhere you like, but the best options are Azure or AWS.

The person using the system is just 1 aspect of many that is relevant. Moot point.

GCP is not up to scratch, and use case is also mostly irrelevant, since Azure and AWS basically has the same capabilities and service offerings. This use case is a government system, and from my experience it looks like Azure is the best choice for government use cases.

I am actually not even talking about public cloud, I am talking about private cloud, since this use case is a government system. Yes you can host it all yourself, but that is an inferior and outdated option. When is hosting your own better today? Never.

The best option for governments today is to use Azure private cloud.
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They are looking at moving to EU based cloud services. This is a migration that some other entities have already started on due to concerns that the US CLOUD Act violates the EU privacy laws.

There is also a growing concern that the US may weaponize the EU dependence on US based tech companies, resulting in the drive towards digital sovereignty. Denmark is especially concerned due to their relationship with the US.
 
Benedict A55h0le not said:
The best option for governments today is to use Azure private cloud.
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It's still not private...which is exactly why a government might not want to use it.

So the option of "better" really all depends on what you are doing with it and in most cases it will almost always be hybrid instead when it comes to governments.

Governments are also fairly static so the benefits of cloud related to scaling up seamlessly or multi region distribution are by and large lost to them and it only really need to be storage which really almost anyone can do for them.

I realise you have a hard on for Azure, but it's really just another player in the pond. In the Linux world the big players like Canonical, Red Hat, IBM all have their own solutions.
 
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SauRoNZA said:
It's still not private...which is exactly why a government might not want to use it.

So the option of "better" really all depends on what you are doing with it and in most cases it will almost always be hybrid instead when it comes to governments.

Governments are also fairly static so the benefits of cloud related to scaling up seamlessly or multi region distribution are by and large lost to them and it only really need to be storage which really almost anyone can do for them.

I realise you have a hard on for Azure, but it's really just another player in the pond. In the Linux world the big players like Canonical, Red Hat, IBM all have their own solutions.
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It is about security, and if Azure private cloud security is good enough for the US government and their military, then it is probably good enough.

Governments being static is again a moot point, I am simply stating what is best in theory. There might be valid reasons to delay cloud adoption, but it will happen eventually.

Yes there are many players, but Azure and AWS are the best options. And again, Linux or Windows is irrelevant, since Linux is often recommended by Microsoft to be used within Azure.

I realize you have a hardon for inferior solutions, that is probably why you are also a devoted little DA COCT supporter.
 
Benedict A55h0le not said:
It is about security, and if Azure private cloud security is good enough for the US government and their military, then it is probably good enough.

Governments being static is again a moot point, I am simply stating what is best in theory. There might be valid reasons to delay cloud adoption, but it will happen eventually.

Yes there are many players, but Azure and AWS are the best options. And again, Linux or Windows is irrelevant, since Linux is often recommended by Microsoft to be used within Azure.

I realize you have a hardon for inferior solutions, that is probably why you are also a devoted little DA COCT supporter.
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The whole thread is about EU countries not wanting to be beholden to US based corporations so that does not make Microsoft best in theory irrespective how good their perceived / advertised security is.

Running Linux in Azure is also not relevant as it is about the entire stack which includes hosting.

Why do you feel the need to bring irrelevant politics into a thread that has nothing to do with support for local parties?
There is no need to be petty.
 
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