Denmark Wants to Dump Microsoft Software for Linux, LibreOffice

[SauRoNZA]

I realize you have a hardon for inferior solutions, that is probably why you are also a devoted little DA COCT supporter.

Erm...I'm all in on AWS considering it's literally my day job.

Still doesn't mean it's the right answer for every situation.

Also, last I checked most US Government contracts still live with AWS, Azure only scored the JEDI contract which is only one of a great many.

 

[Sworaxe]

Seems to be a growing trend. Not just for office use but thanks to Steam & SteamOS, Linux based gaming only systems are something people are considering. Especially after it was proved that handheld gaming systems get better FPS and better battery life on SteamOS vs Windows 11. Time will tell if this grows. But I am also considering switching for the first time ever. Windows has never been more bloated with things I don't know who asked for.

 

[Benedict A55h0le not]

The whole thread is about EU countries not wanting to be beholden to US based corporations so that does not make Microsoft best in theory irrespective how good their perceived / advertised security is.

Running Linux in Azure is also not relevant as it is about the entire stack which includes hosting.

Why do you feel the need to bring irrelevant politics into a thread that has nothing to do with support for local parties?
There is no need to be petty.

Azure is still best in theory, since there is no viable EU cloud providers. The EU can go and try to build their cloud, but that would be a bit like re-inventing the wheel. What is best is to just use Azure private cloud.

That is what I said, it is not about Linux or Windows, since Linux is a 1st grade offering in Azure. It is about Azure or AWS. It has nothing to do with entire stack or hosting.

I am merely stating that if they really want to dump Microsoft, then they have to dump Azure, and that this is a bad move for them. They have an obligation to use tax money wisely, and partaking in the anti-Microsoft romance is a disservice to their tax payers.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Seems to be a growing trend. Not just for office use but thanks to Steam & SteamOS, Linux based gaming only systems are something people are considering. Especially after it was proved that handheld gaming systems get better FPS and better battery life on SteamOS vs Windows 11. Time will tell if this grows. But I am also considering switching for the first time ever. Windows has never been more bloated with things I don't know who asked for.

They really just need a Windows 11 Gaming Edition.

Or even just better options during install time to untick the kak you don't want, instead of the backwards way they have it now where you opt into extra kak.

 

[Benedict A55h0le not]

Erm...I'm all in on AWS considering it's literally my day job.

Still doesn't mean it's the right answer for every situation.

Also, last I checked most US Government contracts still live with AWS, Azure only scored the JEDI contract which is only one of a great many.

I referred to the US military, they use Azure. I am not sure what the uptake is in other government sectors, they probably use AWS and Azure in different sectors. And I did say Azure or AWS. I did help an EU government adopt Azure, but it could also have adopted AWS. However, my solution for them was based on technology that is superior in Azure over AWS, and this technology can be used in almost all systems.

 

[w1z4rd]

Azure is still best in theory, since there is no viable EU cloud providers. The EU can go and try to build their cloud, but that would be a bit like re-inventing the wheel. What is best is to just use Azure private cloud.

That is what I said, it is not about Linux or Windows, since Linux is a 1st grade offering in Azure. It is about Azure or AWS. It has nothing to do with entire stack or hosting.

I am merely stating that if they really want to dump Microsoft, then they have to dump Azure, and that this is a bad move for them. They have an obligation to use tax money wisely, and partaking in the anti-Microsoft romance is a disservice to their tax payers.

With the current weather between Allied nations and the current government in the USA a lot of people are learning that relying on just one partner country for everything can be bad. Formally reliable partners can become unreliable. If they are in control of all your data your sovereignty is at risk.

Especially knowing that AI is just going to mine their data.

 

[Wut]

I referred to the US military, they use Azure.

Yeah, but they also still use Windows XP

 

[Benedict A55h0le not]

With the current weather between Allied nations and the current government in the USA a lot of people are learning that relying on just one partner country for everything can be bad. Formally reliable partners can become unreliable. If they are in control of all your data your sovereignty is at risk.

Especially knowing that AI is just going to mine their data.

But does this new trend warrant the EU building their own cloud offering? What if the EU dismantles? I agree it is better for governments to be as much independent as possible, but to go and build a cloud offering similar to Azure and AWS does not seem like a good idea to me. AWS and Azure is going nowhere.

AI fear is irrelevant I would think.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Azure is still best in theory, since there is no viable EU cloud providers. The EU can go and try to build their cloud, but that would be a bit like re-inventing the wheel. What is best is to just use Azure private cloud.

That is what I said, it is not about Linux or Windows, since Linux is a 1st grade offering in Azure. It is about Azure or AWS. It has nothing to do with entire stack or hosting.

I am merely stating that if they really want to dump Microsoft, then they have to dump Azure, and that this is a bad move for them. They have an obligation to use tax money wisely, and partaking in the anti-Microsoft romance is a disservice to their tax payers.

Dumping Azure isn't a bad move, it is just a move that would be dependent on requirements.

Azure is but a player in the pond, and they're good at some things, and piss poor at others. Like every cloud/hosting provider is these days.

**EDIT** For reference, in reality, Cloud providers like Azure/AWS/GCP/Oracle/etc are really just hyperscale hosting providers who package various products in easy to use fashions.

 

[Smiggles]

Lol good luck with that. The UI of Libreoffice is atrocious.

 

[Mirai]

But does this new trend warrant the EU building their own cloud offering? What if the EU dismantles? I agree it is better for governments to be as much independent as possible, but to go and build a cloud offering similar to Azure and AWS does not seem like a good idea to me. AWS and Azure is going nowhere.

AI fear is irrelevant I would think.

The EU has Koofr.

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And for $120 you too can have 1TB at Koofr (for lifetime - of the company)

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But Europe is way, way behind in terms of IT tech.

Also NATO and the US in it, isn't going anywhere. The current stories of NATO not being reliable is just Berlin and Paris throwing a tantrum over having to increase spending which means cutting social spending.

 

[EthanMH]

Been running CachyOS for a few days, thought I could never love an operating system like I loved Windows 7 again. I was wrong.

Linux is awesome!

 

[Brawler]

City Of Cape Town machines were Linux for many years but switched to Windows 6 or 7 years ago.

 

[Lupus]

I mean the vast majority of government employees only working with single web-based frontends really don’t need anything more than a thin client with a browser.

You'd think that, a couple of years ago we tried that with employees who only used a simple web based front ends. Oh my ... people are really really not good with change and we had to roll back to windows.
We've learnt even changing a colour of a button can have dramatic effect on workloads

 

[Lupus]

I’m in full support of this.

For what the vast majority of users do a Linux based OS and Libreoffice is more than sufficient.

Except the users aren't capable of the change, it's like their brains switch off. Never mind the it department that is supposed to support them.
This newer lot coming into the workforce is probably less tech inclined than any I've seen in the last 20 years of working.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Except the users aren't capable of the change, it's like their brains switch off. Never mind the it department that is supposed to support them.
This newer lot coming into the workforce is probably less tech inclined than any I've seen in the last 20 years of working.

Good luck to them coming here.

Our motto is rolling with the changes so products change every other year even more often sometimes and it’s a case of deal with it or ship out.

 

[Lupus]

Good luck to them coming here.

Our motto is rolling with the changes so products change every other year even more often sometimes and it’s a case of deal with it or ship out.

Large corps man, a lot of people are hired as button pushers and that is all they know, they know how to push a button and they do it for twenty odd years. Change the button and it's like wtaf :-(

 

[ToxicBunny]

Large corps man, a lot of people are hired as button pushers and that is all they know, they know how to push a button and they do it for twenty odd years. Change the button and it's like wtaf :-(

Even those who aren't just button pushers can have wobblies when faced with significant change.

 

[Polymathic]

It's a diversification away from US services, since there are currently not many European based alternatives, so they are switching to opensource,

 

[Lupus]

Even those who aren't just button pushers can have wobblies when faced with significant change.

Sure significant change, but I'm literally talking the colour of the button, we had to change it back.