Did you know this about MWEB?

[Trixter69]

I'm tried of people posting that MWEBs network is being overloaded by people using VPNs and defending shaping. So here's a few figures for you to chew on.

you can currently get an STM-1 line for $5,000-$7,000 from Seacom.

1 STM can handle +-400 people with a transfer rate of 400kbps unshaped, uncontended.

So lets do some math shall we? we'll even use the more expensive figure $7000 times the current exchange rate of 7.5 = R52,500
400 times MWEBS 4MB fee of R539 = R215,600
now R215,600 - R52,500 = R163,100

Thats if they only put 400 Unshaped users on 1 STM-1 line! I don't know about you but even when I'm unshaped I still only get a MAX speed of 300kbps and that speed only lasts for a min or two. I average about 80-130kbps which means MWEB has more like 1221-1700 people on an STM-1 line. Even if all those were on the cheapest uncapped solution that's R381,996 after the STM-1 line cost. If they were all 4MB uncapped you would be looking at close to R1,016,876 after the STM-1 line cost.

I'd hope this helps people put the shaping issue into perspective.

 

[Necuno]

so tanya35... i meant trixter69 when can we sub to your isp since you seem to have it thought out ?

 

[Trixter69]

tanya35? nope not me but nice try lol

As for the ISP I'm looking into it... soon hopefully as I'm seriously looking into starting one. it really depends on how many hoops I have to jump through that will determine the time frame.

Necuno can I put you down for an account when it gets started?

 

[Necuno]

tanya35? nope not me but nice try lol

hey, every saga has a beginning. one have to start somewhere

As for the ISP I'm looking into it... soon hopefully as I'm seriously looking into starting one.

Necuno can I put you down for an account when it gets started?

yep, but i will be difficult client with many complaints and my needs.

 

[Trixter69]

yep, but i will be difficult client with many complaints and my needs.

Not if its good service of the bat. you have to remember I'm used to international service levels and thats what I would demand from any company I run or am part of.

p.s. anyway service levels cant get much worse can they?

 

[Necuno]

Not if its good service of the bat. you have to remember I'm used to international service levels and thats what I would demand from any company I run or am part of.

so like verizon and comcast you will also have a capped uncapped ?

 

[Trixter69]

so like verizon and comcast you will also have a capped uncapped ?

well I've got a 12mb line from comcast and DL +-1-1.5 TB a month without any issues. Also when something goes sidways they always keep me up to date on the issue and have a pretty accurate ETA on getting it fixed

Thats my experience with Comcast cant really say much about Verizon as I've never used them.

 

[Valerion]

A few things you should factor in too. I would love to see your figures on this.

• Equipment cost for routers, shapers, etc
• Staff expenditure
• Misc overhead cost
• Cost of buying STM-1 transit from your office to the landing station
• IPC interconnect from Telkom for a link the size of an STM-1
• Local interconnect links to JINX/CINX
• Peering agreements with the major local ISPs
• Cost of international transit beyond SEACOM
• The (admittedly) small cost you pay AfriNIC for your IP range and AS allocation

 

[Necuno]

A few things you should factor in too. I would love to see your figures on this.

• Equipment cost for routers, shapers, etc
• Staff expenditure
• Misc overhead cost
• Cost of buying STM-1 transit from your office to the landing station
• IPC interconnect from Telkom for a link the size of an STM-1
• Local interconnect links to JINX/CINX
• Peering agreements with the major local ISPs
• Cost of international transit beyond SEACOM
• The (admittedly) small cost you pay AfriNIC for your IP range and AS allocation

of course trixie is going to connect directly to STM-1 and only have to employ himself/herself for the job

 

[Trixter69]

A few things you should factor in too. I would love to see your figures on this.

• Equipment cost for routers, shapers, etc
• Staff expenditure
• Misc overhead cost
• Cost of buying STM-1 transit from your office to the landing station
• IPC interconnect from Telkom for a link the size of an STM-1
• Local interconnect links to JINX/CINX
• Peering agreements with the major local ISPs
• Cost of international transit beyond SEACOM
• The (admittedly) small cost you pay AfriNIC for your IP range and AS allocation

Thanks for the list saves me some time having to write it down. however I'll be skipping JINX and going strait to CINX like google did. Jinx is just to messy and slow ATM.

of course trixie is going to connect directly to STM-1 and only have to employ himself/herself for the job

now there's an idea! but I don't think it would be economically feasible.

 

[Valerion]

of course trixie is going to connect directly to STM-1 and only have to employ himself/herself for the job

Uhm ... OK. I can see that scenario, yeah. But he/she is also trying to get money from 400 ADSL users ... I am sure they would LOVE to pay to be able to download straight from the landing station. Still needs a big room to house all the 24/7 unshaped downloaders, though. And enough Cat-5 cable to connect all the PC's up to the landing station. Sanitary facilities ...

What else am I missing here?

 

[Valerion]

Oh, I did a quick Google search (5 minutes). I found this article: http://imod.co.za/2009/07/27/whats-happening-with-adsl-costs-and-seacom/

“That IP Connect will cost me R390 000 for a 140Mbps line.”

If this is indeed the correct figures, you need to charge R975 per user to recover IPC cost alone. And you are 15Mbps short of a 1:1 contention ratio, as an STM-1 is 155Mbps.

 

[medicnick83]

All these posts / threads that are trying to save face for MWEB...

 

[SabreWolfy]

All these posts / threads that are trying to save face for MWEB...

And why do they need their face saved exactly?

 

[Looney]

Because if they even dare call me to threaten about high usage, Im gonna throw a brick at it

 

[DMH88]

If your costing was even close to being correct, why did nobody elso offer uncapped at these rates before MWEB did? Remember they changed this market forever. Personally I much rather have uncapped thank go back. Thanks MWEB

 

[m0zy]

I'm tried of people posting that MWEBs network is being overloaded by people using VPNs and defending shaping. So here's a few figures for you to chew on.

you can currently get an STM-1 line for $5,000-$7,000 from Seacom.

1 STM can handle +-400 people with a transfer rate of 400kbps unshaped, uncontended.

So lets do some math shall we? we'll even use the more expensive figure $7000 times the current exchange rate of 7.5 = R52,500
400 times MWEBS 4MB fee of R539 = R215,600
now R215,600 - R52,500 = R163,100

Thats if they only put 400 Unshaped users on 1 STM-1 line! I don't know about you but even when I'm unshaped I still only get a MAX speed of 300kbps and that speed only lasts for a min or two. I average about 80-130kbps which means MWEB has more like 1221-1700 people on an STM-1 line. Even if all those were on the cheapest uncapped solution that's R381,996 after the STM-1 line cost. If they were all 4MB uncapped you would be looking at close to R1,016,876 after the STM-1 line cost.

I'd hope this helps people put the shaping issue into perspective.

Now add R10 per GB on IPC and see what happens with your profit

 

[racer]

Now add R10 per GB on IPC and see what happens with your profit

exactly, and add rent, salaries, kit and a myriad of other costs to that as well....

Trixter69 is a typical example of "a little knowledge is a bad thing"

 

[Tanya35]

exactly, and add rent, salaries, kit and a myriad of other costs to that as well....

Trixter69 is a typical example of "a little knowledge is a bad thing"

Well at least he made us think. If Mweb gave us more knowledge we would understand what they're up to instead of making everything murky and suspicious.

 

[Roman4604]

1 STM can handle +-400 people with a transfer rate of 400kbps unshaped, uncontended .... I'd hope this helps people put the shaping issue into perspective.

Err ... dont want sound like the maths gestapo but, 4Mbps (actually 3.4Mbps real throughput) goes into 155Mbps (STM-1) 45 times. So its actually R1166 per uncontended 4096 ADSL user.