Did you know this about MWEB?

[who.is.michael]

I'm tired of these MWEB fanboys that don't know what they are talking about....

Please lobby Patricia de Lille for some transparency in the ISP consumer market so some of the truth can come to light:

Website: http://www.id.org.za/
Contact Page: http://www.id.org.za/contact-us/emailpatricia/
Email: [email protected]

As it is extremely difficult to purchase an “Uncapped” ADSL account (although South Africa is awash with international bandwidth) without knowing what one is purchasing. They (ISP’s) change their AUP’s (acceptable use policies) once one complains, or it is so extremely vague, therefore one can’t lodge a case of false advertising with the ASASA.

ISPA (ISP organisation) is of no help, nor ICASA.

All I wish for, is to know what I am purchasing - if it is uncapped, what the contention ratios are (apparently by law to be indicated, however never reflected) and what does “Uncapped” mean and fixed AUP’s.

So far it seem “Uncapped” is equal to 50 – 60 GB of usage per month and thereafter your account is throttled to dial up speeds or vital ports are blocked, therefore you cannot even utilise the service for browsing the internet and receiving emails simultaneously. In my opinion - this is not an uncapped service, as one cannot utilised such a service (current "Uncapped Shaped" connection) for streaming international TV like Aljazeera; or any other high bandwidth usage applications via the Internet.

Best to stick to per Gig accounts then. And please; don't even try to pose the argument of "obtain a Business Uncapped account", as this is not much better - if not very similar...

 

[racer]

Err ... dont want sound like the maths gestapo but, 4Mbps (actually 3.4Mbps real throughput) goes into 155Mbps (STM-1) 45 times. So its actually R1166 per uncontended 4096 ADSL user.

dont' let the facts interfere with their reasoning dammit! you'll be called an mweb fanboi next!

 

[racer]

I'm tired of these MWEB fanboys that don't know what they are talking about.....

aah yeah the usual "fanboy" rhetoric.

Please lobby Patricia de Lille for some transparency in the ISP consumer market so some of the truth can come to light:

ISP's are private companies who can sell that they want, at whatever prices the want. They don't need to show any transparency and they don't need to tell anyone the "truth" as you so quaintly put it. You lot should get a life.. Mweb (nor any other ISP) actually owes you anything. If you don't like them, leave.. and go somewhere else. I'd like to see Patricia try to demand a private company to share their costs and business models with joe public....

 

[killadoob]

aah yeah the usual "fanboy" rhetoric.



ISP's are private companies who can sell that they want, at whatever prices the want. They don't need to show any transparency and they don't need to tell anyone the "truth" as you so quaintly put it. You lot should get a life.. Mweb (nor any other ISP) actually owes you anything. If you don't like them, leave.. and go somewhere else. I'd like to see Patricia try to demand a private company to share their costs and business models with joe public....

Bwhahahaha, yea i would love to know what car companies get the cars for .

Come patricia make private companies tell us everything . I wonder how much pick n pay pays for potatoes? Should get patricia on it ASAP.

 

[epeer]

A few things you should factor in too. I would love to see your figures on this.

• Equipment cost for routers, shapers, etc
• Staff expenditure
• Misc overhead cost
• Cost of buying STM-1 transit from your office to the landing station
• IPC interconnect from Telkom for a link the size of an STM-1
• Local interconnect links to JINX/CINX
• Peering agreements with the major local ISPs
• Cost of international transit beyond SEACOM
• The (admittedly) small cost you pay AfriNIC for your IP range and AS allocation

Indeed. In particular, the IPC costs are probably one of the biggest problems.

It does beg the question, since the international side of the equation is so small (and it really can be a lot smaller with reasonable contention ratios and clever caching), why did everyone get caught with their pants down when Seacom failed? Even expensive SAT-3 capacity pales in comparison to the other costs...?

 

[Necuno]

I'm tired of these MWEB fanboys that don't know what they are talking about....

Please lobby Patricia de Lille for some transparency in the ISP consumer market so some of the truth can come to light:

Website: http://www.id.org.za/
Contact Page: http://www.id.org.za/contact-us/emailpatricia/
Email: [email protected]

As it is extremely difficult to purchase an “Uncapped” ADSL account (although South Africa is awash with international bandwidth) without knowing what one is purchasing. They (ISP’s) change their AUP’s (acceptable use policies) once one complains, or it is so extremely vague, therefore one can’t lodge a case of false advertising with the ASASA.

ISPA (ISP organisation) is of no help, nor ICASA.

All I wish for, is to know what I am purchasing - if it is uncapped, what the contention ratios are (apparently by law to be indicated, however never reflected) and what does “Uncapped” mean and fixed AUP’s.

So far it seem “Uncapped” is equal to 50 – 60 GB of usage per month and thereafter your account is throttled to dial up speeds or vital ports are blocked, therefore you cannot even utilise the service for browsing the internet and receiving emails simultaneously. In my opinion - this is not an uncapped service, as one cannot utilised such a service (current "Uncapped Shaped" connection) for streaming international TV like Aljazeera; or any other high bandwidth usage applications via the Internet.

Best to stick to per Gig accounts then. And please; don't even try to pose the argument of "obtain a Business Uncapped account", as this is not much better - if not very similar...

ow god... ID they are our messiah /gets a palm leaf to wage at the goddess...

 

[Pilgrim]

FailThread™

 

[Fudzy]

If they are owned by Naspers surely they have to keep the investors happy too? I'd welcome any ISP to come in with something more competitive with the same amount of infrastructure without being tied into investor capital.

 

[Vrotappel]

Me wonders how the Consumer Protection Act is going to affect these ISP's 'business models'?

 

[J0n0]

They seriously should make the registration on MYBB a little more difficult to keep the knobs like the OP, Michael and Tanya off.

 

[Necuno]

They seriously should make the registration on MYBB a little more difficult to keep the knobs like the OP, Michael and Tanya off.

i blame OBE and related.

 

[SabreWolfy]

aah yeah the usual "fanboy" rhetoric.



ISP's are private companies who can sell that they want, at whatever prices the want. They don't need to show any transparency and they don't need to tell anyone the "truth" as you so quaintly put it. You lot should get a life.. Mweb (nor any other ISP) actually owes you anything. If you don't like them, leave.. and go somewhere else. I'd like to see Patricia try to demand a private company to share their costs and business models with joe public....

+1

 

[marine1]

I foresee that once the CPA comes into play, these products will die a quick death.

 

[Icarium]

you can currently get an STM-1 line for $5,000-$7,000 from Seacom.

1 STM can handle +-400 people with a transfer rate of 400kbps unshaped, uncontended.
.

You fail at maths and an inability to differentiate between bits and bytes.

TENET pays R1380 per 1mbps on SEACOM (Large ISP's may pay a bit less, smaller ISP's will be paying more. SAT-3 bandwidth costs a lot more). An STM-1 line is 155mbps, so that's R213900 for an STM-1 line at those prices (Ignoring, for now, all the other costs involved in getting that bandwidth to subscribers which roughly triples that).

A 155mbps line can handle 38.75 connections at 4mbps before contention becomes an issue (line speeds are always measured in bits per seconds, not bytes).

So if an ISP was paying roughly the same as TENET for SEACOM bandwidth, you would need 376 subscribers paying R569p/m to cover the costs of the SEACOM bandwidth alone, giving you a minimum contention ratio of 10:1.

Throw in the rather exorbitant local bandwidth costs courtesy of Telkom and you're looking at a minimum contention ratio of 30+:1 just to start breaking even.

And since download speeds are measured in bytes and not bits, at an average of 130kBs they could cater for roughly 125 users on an STM-1 line at those speeds (At an effective contention ratio of a little under 3.5!). Not 1221+ as you claim.

This all ignores the fact that there are plenty of happy users that actually do regularly get speeds of 400kBs+ when not being shaped.

Care to try again?

 

[SabreWolfy]

I foresee that once the CPA comes into play, these products will die a quick death.

Sadly, I don't foresee a time when rubbish like this no longer gets posted.

 

[marine1]

Sadly, I don't foresee a time when rubbish like this no longer gets posted.

Oh sorry oh great one for posting an opinion but then again we cant all be such "experts" as yourself. Maybe go play in traffic?
When you have something constructive to add and not just posting your fan boy crap, maybe then come back? Ok troll?

 

[Vrotappel]

Sadly, I don't foresee a time when rubbish like this no longer gets posted.

Why do you say it's rubbish? Enlighten us.

 

[Pilgrim]

It is rubbish because the OP based his entire argument on a false set of facts (or lack thereof). Any reply supporting his claims are invalid, and any claim opposing it is shot down as "fanboy". Hence, useless thread.

 

[SabreWolfy]

I foresee that once the CPA comes into play, these products will die a quick death.

Sadly, I don't foresee a time when rubbish like this no longer gets posted.

Oh sorry oh great one for posting an opinion but then again we cant all be such "experts" as yourself. Maybe go play in traffic?
When you have something constructive to add and not just posting your fan boy crap, maybe then come back? Ok troll?

A quick response to the stupid "play in traffic", "fanboy" and "troll" garbage: Many people still need to realize that attacking the PERSON (play in traffic, fanboy, troll) is easy and quite different to attacking the argument (what was SAID) ("Rubbish", "Garbage"). It's very different to say "I think you are speaking rubbish" compared with "go play in traffic you fanboy troll". Anyhow, not everyone will understand this. We all know why.

Some confusion around by comment. I meant that the reply above is rubbish if the poster is referring to large companies like MWeb dying a quick death. If the poster was referring to companies such as the one mentioned by the OP, then of course I would concur.

 

[Icarium]

You know what's really hilarious? It's that in post #1 the OP is complaining about his Mweb connection. In post #7 he's bragging about his Comcast connection. Fail maths aside, that pretty much proves that he/she/it is just trolling.