Dimension Data in DA tender mess

So they dug up something about the DA to justify their own corruption and ineptness? Sorry sod's these poor anti DA campaigners!

That's the thing here...I'm a Plett local and one thing I can tell you is there is huge tension between the DA and ANC here, it all started when the DA unexpectedly won the area, putting all the lazy big wigs out on there asses. As you can imagine the ANC guys are not happy so dig deep they will to try find any dirt on the DA.

Having said that I do agree however that to job should have been put out to tender, not one of the local IT companies were ever invited to any meetings, they have a lot to contribute. If you want give the back-end systems to DiData let them run the servers etc if they feel that local IT companies are not capable, but how about the small things, reloading computers, networking, microwave links to outlying branches,etc , we have the skills here for those things, why not use local companies first ?

But here once again I understand the DA's predicament they were left with not just IT systems that were not working but the entire municipality was in disarray, zero money! almost bankrupt. How do you get money? You get the guys to pay rates, electricity etc, but you need your IT systems working to do this, hence the emergency !
 
r u siriaas. Load of tripe in that article. A 1st yr student could pick apart those articles in seconds.

Just a few:
1.
Why is that. Nothing has changed. If he found Intellini 'cheating' and closing the road for political/monetary gain they should immediately be removed with cause. This is a clear admission that this is the situation.

2.Wrong again. They are building an office for : Plaza Managers Office, HR Manager office, Internal Auditor office, Secretary's office, Staff Room, Control Room, Cash Room, Archive/Records, Technicians Workshop, Civil Forman's Office, Store Room, Airconditioning Room, Workshop, Managers Office, PA to managers office, General Managers office, Store Room, Meeting Room, Kitchen, Service Room, and various Terraces. LUXURY IT DEFINITELY IS! wtf do they need terraces or an office for the frikken secretary? How many managers do they really need for a toll booth?
No, this is designed to be an asset instead of a functional structure. They will sublet this out for a packet.

3.
Complete lie. They excavated a pristine piece of land to create a quarry in SANPARK land to get the stone for construction work. Now they say the quarry is ugly and has no fynbos left, so we must build in it. Anyone can see the faulty argument here.

4,
Carlisle himself has said the free pass is not in the agreement and can be scrapped at any time. Recall what the Entillini boss said about charging ambulances? You really think he's going to give out a free pass?!

5.
Why didn't they get that done first instead of signing an illegal contract. Now how much money is going to be spent on finding out if it can even be completed. He also says they will start building the part nearest the road, so we could end up with 1/2 an office. Not a thinking person is our MEC.

6.
I believe they did, but at the same time were told it would have to take an act of parliament to do it, so presumably they were waiting for that.

7. .
Meaningless arguments. It would obviously be far cheaper to site the office in Hout Bay. It doesn't need to be on site.

Fortunately he doesn't repeat his other really daft reasoning like the land is 0.0x% of available SANPARK land (nonsense stats101).
or the one about the offices will be better for the workers than the containers on site at the moment. (oh comon!)

1) Entilini were legally allowed to close the road whenever they wished as per the original contract negotiated by the ANC. If Carlisle had not renegotiated the contract, the Province would simply have been powerless to stop it.

2) If you think any of what you have written - essentially the expanded version of what Carlisle wrote - entails "luxury," I hate to think what offices you've worked in in the past. Every single thing you've written there is bog standard operations-related infrastructure, apart from the terraces, which aren't uncommon themselves. I'll start taking you seriously and protesting with you when they include the likes of a staff gym, spa and sports facilities. Those are what you call luxury facilities.

Furthermore, I'm not sure whether you were suggesting that Entilini intend on sub-letting parts of the office block to third parties, but if that's what you're getting at then all I can do is laugh at your severe lack of understanding of the commercial property sector.

3) "They" did not excavate anything. Robin Carlisle has clearly said he was in opposition to the building of Chappies in the first place. Entilini and the ANC-lead WC government are the sole reason that the quarry was originally excavated. The fact that Carlisle has now reduced the number of toll plazas from two to one, and decided to have the office block located in the ugly ANC/Entilini legacy that is the quarry, is commendable, if anything.

4) I'm not sure what you're attempting to argue, because what you said was clearly outlined in the article by Carlisle's own admission.

5) This process has been ongoing for some time, and it is only now thanks to the Sunday Times' usual sensationalism that people have woken up and decided to start objecting to it. It is not Carlisle's fault that information that has been in the public domain has only now created a buzz. I would assume that he gave the go-ahead for construction to commence because he not only has contractual obligations, but expects that Parliament would have no logical reason to object to the 25% of the land owned by SAN Parks being extradited. Even SAN Parks themselves are in support of giving up the land.

6) What you "believe" is of no concern. What actually happened, however, is.

7) Think about this logically for a second. If, all these years, they've been using containers as offices when they could just as easily have rented out "luxury" office space in Hout Bay, then why would Entilini - who obviously aren't remotely poor - have chosen to remain in the containers? Because, once again logically, it is far easier to locate one's staff working on the toll road ON the actual toll road. Do you have any idea what equipment they need to store necessary for the maintenance of the unstable roadway? That's forgetting the fact that on top of that, the new toll plaza will be located another whole kilometre towards Noordhoek than the original plaza was. Come on...use your head. Do you think those responsible for the smooth running of the Kruger Park base their offices and equipment a couple of kilometres outside of it? The idea is a complete joke.


That was easy to pick apart, and one needn't even be a first year in order to do so. Your inability to actually fight fact with fact and your liberal use of opinion is quite amusing.
 
DA/ANC AD CNA... wtf does it matter at all if the end result is a disaster.

Municipalities should be run for the good of the ratepayer.
Thats it.
Once you let politics in, the result is obvious.

This country/world is f**t if we cling to the failing concept of democracy which reduces everything to the lowest common factor.
When will merit come into the picture?
 
DA/ANC AD CNA... wtf does it matter at all if the end result is a disaster.

Municipalities should be run for the good of the ratepayer.
Thats it.
Once you let politics in, the result is obvious.

This country/world is f**t if we cling to the failing concept of democracy which reduces everything to the lowest common factor.
When will merit come into the picture?

Thank you. That's my point exactly. Why should it be a black or white thing? Or DA/ANC thing? At the end of the day, it must be about service delivery.
 
Sorry but that is utter crap :mad: I am up in arms if this is true and I am a white DA supporter, although not a member.
I support what is right !! Simple as that. I am against what is wrong and that is the corrupt ANC and the people that support them.
If you take that as a white / black issue then that is something you have to deal with.
As for taking up arms and killing each other?


I am all for it. Too many oxygen thieves on this rock anyway

Listen, I am not an ANC member, never was and will never be. But this article clearly proves is that as much as ANC is corrupt, the DA is corrupt too. Infect any political party given the right opportunity would be corrupt, simple as that.
 
You get the guys to pay rates, electricity etc, but you need your IT systems working to do this, hence the emergency !

No time to pick and choose amongst local IT shops. You gotta do what you need to do first to get things sorted out.

Hopefully, once the issues have been addressed and sorted out, they will look at getting in local reputable IT companies.
 
Listen, I am not an ANC member, never was and will never be. But this article clearly proves is that as much as ANC is corrupt, the DA is corrupt too. Infect any political party given the right opportunity would be corrupt, simple as that.

And as I initially said which you failed to see is that if the DA is wrong, lock the bloody pricks up.
 
Go Go DA expensive PR agents! Expect a well lettered explanation with the week.
 
If I was the DA I would look at centarlising the technology, why must each little dorpie have it's own IT infrastructure? To what end?
 
I would really like to know more about what actually went down.

I know there is this temptation to just get in somebody you know and fix things - but the road the hell is paved with good intentions. Last time I check we are not a technocracy but a democracy, and for very good reason.

However, I must say for this statement, if it were true:

“Remember that Lookout is a Plett icon and hang-out of preference for some very powerful people, like Jeremy Ord and others who have supported us generously.”

I suggest heads must roll, no matter the intent. We simply cannot have people in government who even smell like corruption.
 
I like this sentiment. It's not like the DA hid their decision - they applied for special dispensation for a well known IT company (and a resident of Plett - who has a vested, non-financial, interest in seeing the municipality perform well).

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Why won't the DA tell us whether Dimension Data is a party donor or not then? How do we know it is non-financial?
 
DA/ANC AD CNA... wtf does it matter at all if the end result is a disaster.

Municipalities should be run for the good of the ratepayer.
Thats it.
Once you let politics in, the result is obvious.

This country/world is f**t if we cling to the failing concept of democracy which reduces everything to the lowest common factor.
When will merit come into the picture?

The ANC had 17 years, give the DA a chance first! You may be pleasantly surprised.
 
Listen, I am not an ANC member, never was and will never be. But this article clearly proves is that as much as ANC is corrupt, the DA is corrupt too. Infect any political party given the right opportunity would be corrupt, simple as that.

Please explain how this is corruption? This was done with the consent of the entire council, due to the seriousness of the matter. It wasn't swept under the rug, it was hidden and it the request was openly asked.
 
No time to pick and choose amongst local IT shops. You gotta do what you need to do first to get things sorted out.

Hopefully, once the issues have been addressed and sorted out, they will look at getting in local reputable IT companies.

Yup! As I said, give the DA a chance to muck out the stable and then we'll seeing if it fills with their own excrement or they actually keep it squeaky clean.
 
I would really like to know more about what actually went down.

I know there is this temptation to just get in somebody you know and fix things - but the road the hell is paved with good intentions. Last time I check we are not a technocracy but a democracy, and for very good reason.

However, I must say for this statement, if it were true:

I suggest heads must roll, no matter the intent. We simply cannot have people in government who even smell like corruption.

Again, they made the request to the council, it was approved and DiData was appointed. It wasn't a clandestine appointment without consultation.
 
Speaking of which... does anyone know what the laws are government DA email. I heard they cant be based in offshore cloud services (something about government email not allowed to be hosted outside SA)? Anyone got a link to the legislation on that?
 
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