Discovery Vitality Continues to decrease bennefits (First the Gym then ....)

Discovery use BMI, even though it has serious flaws, and they attach a lot of points to meeting this fantasy measure of fatness.

Discovery has always allowed for other measurements where you could justify that BMI is not a suitable measurement for yourself. Most bodybuilder types are allowed to submit other data like waist circumference and body composition plus fat percentage.

This is their standard response on the BMI issue:

BMI is the most widely accepted general indicator of an average person’s risk for being overweight, at a normal weight or underweight. It is a reliable and cost-effective tool for assessing the body composition of large populations. We have also found it effective to assess the body composition of most of Vitality’s members.

However, BMI does not consider body fat percentage and muscle mass and there are no specific ranges for people who are more muscular or athletic. In these cases we recommend that instead of aiming for the recommended healthy BMI range (between 19 and 25), rather aim for a healthy waist circumference (lower than 102 cm for men) and an acceptable body fat percentage (of less than 21%). If both your percentage body fat and waist circumference are within the healthy range (less than 102cm), we are more than happy to award your Vitality points."
 
I used to be a Discovery Health and Vitality member. I kept my Gold status for 3 years, and as a result I had Diamond status this year.

I just cancelled my Discovery Health plan & Vitality, and opted to go with another provider.

Vitality is pretty much useless comparing the benefits it had 3 years ago to now. Medical savings booster gave you 75% back into your Medical savings account, and they scrapped it. Gym benefits used to be FREE back in the day. Their health plan rates are crazy (even though they claim to be the cheapest)

Sorry Discovery, you have lost the plot!
 
I used to be a Discovery Health and Vitality member. I kept my Gold status for 3 years, and as a result I had Diamond status this year.

I just cancelled my Discovery Health plan & Vitality, and opted to go with another provider.

Vitality is pretty much useless comparing the benefits it had 3 years ago to now. Medical savings booster gave you 75% back into your Medical savings account, and they scrapped it. Gym benefits used to be FREE back in the day. Their health plan rates are crazy (even though they claim to be the cheapest)

Sorry Discovery, you have lost the plot!

Your cheap and whiny
 
@ Modern10 - Your cheap and whiny

Sorry but I completely disagree with you. Why carry on with a program that costs more but provides less year after year ?

Check the press next year you will find Discovery have removed more bennifits and increased the cost of Vitality once more

Tman which provider did you go with it would be great to know
 
Since I have to move over to Discovery with new employer soon, what does one do with Vitality points one accumilates?

The points are merely accumulated to place you in a level/status bracket (blue, bronze, silver, gold, diamond etc). This status is then used at various shops for discounts. Gold status gets you like 30% discount on kulula and BA (even though kulula was ironically about 20 to 30% more expensive than 1time, so the discount always felt a little like an empty victory). Lower status means lower discount.


They apply this to their internal products too, i.e paying less on your disability insurance per month based on your status. It is all still based on the bracket you are in, not the exact count of your points.

Either way the points itself means squat once you are in gold or diamond status. It is not like ebucks. So as was mentioned, their removal of carry over means there is even less reason to accumulate points past the absolute minimum required to reach gold status. Their caps on gaining points on exercise also means, most people will simply go do all the tests (brokers hold these discovery days where you do all possible tests on 1 day and single place) and then they are done for the year as this will most likely hit gold status much easier than actually doing 5 run/cycling events (they cap you at about 5 events if i remember correctly, i was capped in march last year).

The gym and movie benefit got zero to do with your vitality status or points, so unfortunately you don't get better rates with those based on your bracket, so if you don't care about vitality status, you can still easily get the full gym and movie discount in the lowest bracket.
 
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Noxibox, all Vitality is, is a way to gather very accurate data on your clients. That is their greatest ROI for the whole exercise which allows them to better model life expectancy and thereby, profiitibility.
Of course much of it is a way to gather information. But since they don't actually regulate the exercise part, they have no way of knowing whether someone is doing exercise in a more or less damaging way. It is not simply a matter of exercise is good. That's 80s thinking. We now know it was wrong. Badly wrong. And their continuing obsession with fat as bad, amongst other dietary rubbish they continue to promote, means any forecasting they're doing is basically worthless.

I.e. you will have to go the extra mile which encourages positive health behaviour.
Yeah, it doesn't unfortunately.

By carrying over point you do great for a few years and then just chillax and let the carry over get you to Gold.
To do that you'd need to have 180,000 points per person in one year. And if you don't get back up to 180,000 the next year you'll still have to go back to earning points somehow.

Professional athletes and gym fanatics will likely get damaged long term but amateurs likely will not unless they do it in a retarded way and then that is their own fault.
On the contrary amateurs can be expected to be more likely to hurt themselves. They're also less likely to get appropriate treatment. One reason will be the immediate cost to themselves. Discovery of course will refuse to pay for it if the person is on a hospital plan, but will eventually pay out even more if that person decides to take it to hospital. By that point an injury that might have cost a few thousand Rand to treat immediately will cost tens of thousands to repair.

On the food you are spot on but please keep in mind that the Vitality recommendations are infinately better than the person who is chowing KFC and McD's all the time.
Someone who wanted to game the system could simply buy cheap 'healthy' food and not eat it. I voted against their negative point system and I'll use some measure to counter it. Plus it can't really be better to be eating brown sugar rather than compressed dried fruit, but the former earned healthy food credit, while the latter didn't. If there's one case of such silliness, then there are bound to be many more.

The low salt focus is a simple consequence of SA having a very high level of heart disease (i.e. read biggest cost for Discovery).
Pity that recent research shows that low salt diets very likely increase your risk of having a heart attack.

Everyone knows that BMI sucks. Its sucks big time. But can you please suggest other health/fitness measurements that can be feasibly implemented in a cost effective way? I think BMI is the best you have as a general and averaged guide. If your doctor starts talking about BMI only then do you need to get worried.
I don't care about BMI one way or the other. It's simply not a health indicator, and thus my point stands.

They can't be wrong about all these things and really be promoting health. How can they promote something when they quite clearly have no idea what it is?
 
BMI is the most widely accepted general indicator of an average person’s risk for being overweight, at a normal weight or underweight.
That it somehow became widely used in spite of being wrong doesn't give it any weight. There's been a longstanding battle to try to get researchers, and in fact everyone, to stop using it.

However, BMI does not consider body fat percentage and muscle mass and there are no specific ranges for people who are more muscular or athletic. In these cases we recommend that instead of aiming for the recommended healthy BMI range (between 19 and 25), rather aim for a healthy waist circumference (lower than 102 cm for men) and an acceptable body fat percentage (of less than 21%). If both your percentage body fat and waist circumference are within the healthy range (less than 102cm), we are more than happy to award your Vitality points."
The thing is what is a healthy range is disputable. Someone can be fatter and have a highly trained cardiovascular system and musculature, while someone else can be naturally thin and sedentary. That sedentary person can then join the gym and scan in regularly to get their points without doing any exercise. So now who is in a healthier condition?
 
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