Do all humans have souls?

Nick333

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I'm not a religious person, in fact I do not like religion, Hate church and seen enough of it to know that it is a business. Been to a religious school where a lot of the teachers turned out to be pedi's . Went to a religious hostel where I saw funny things go on..... Seen churches bash each others religion, Religion is man made, the bible is not the word of god, it is the word of disciples.... everyone knows how the ruler of the day changes writings to suite their ambitions.....

The above being said, I come from Celtic stock and have strong beliefs that there is something "bigger" after death...

When my daughter was born, we received the message that my grandmother in Scotland had passed away an hour before she was born.....

At 02h00 in the morning, when my mother passed away from cancer in the local hospital, my father was by her side, my brothers and I where waiting in the family lounge, without knowing that at the exact time my mother passed on, the lights in our lounge started to flicker, the other lights in the house stayed on.....

At the age of 21/22 I eperienced two OBE's , I was'nt dying, sick, on drugs or dunk, Lying on my bed, I felt me/myself leave my body, difficult to describe, I could'nt move my body, but felt myself drift above the bed, I "floated" to the roof and could see myself and my brother sleeping below..... It would be too long to describe what happened on both these occasions.... needless to say, I was disturbed by what had happened to me.... Realising that us as humans tend to forget details the older we get to promise myself never to forget what happened to me on those two nights.....that there is more to this life than we can possibly understand...

Years later, I was in the hospital next to my father when he died, I was sitting next to him waiting for the doctor, he was lying down on the table, moaning to me about his chest pains.... I was teasing him, strange sense of humour, after awhile he was silent, but still breathing, then suddenly I saw a white flash of light just to the left of his head, 4 seconds later he heaved, and in a good scottish accent, his last words were , "Oh Fu*&!" and he was gone.....

I don't care for what the Naysayers and religious folk say, I know, and for this matter, I fear not death, I do however feel sad for those of my kin I have to leave behind, knowing full well I shall see them all again.....

There are souls, but one has to wonder , do all people have them, for there are evil people who float amongst us....

(Liked my last line, now I sound like a nutter.....)

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I don't care about your anecdotal ramblings, I see no reason anyone should believe in souls until after they're dead and find they still exist.

Your original question is the epitome of a stupid question. You may as well ask if all dragons are red.
 

Sherbang

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Still measurable...

It means your perception of whatever is happening is happening in your head.

I don't understand - does the fact that it's measurable mean it's real? Is this what makes joy real? If so, then astral projection must also be real since you can 'measure' it?
 

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joelus, you are basically trying to move the argument into a realm where nothing needs explanation. In this case there is absolutely no point in even debating the matter as everything is subjective. Bring the discussion back to a level where everybody can see the same evidence, work with it and come to conclusions.

No, I'm just disputing your statement that " Something that is real either has physical properties or has some parameters than can be measured."
Clearly, not everything that is real has physical properties or has some parameters than can be measured.

But, to bring it back to the discussion, I think the soul is the 'you' part, or 'me' part of the human and yes, every human is one.
 
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Scooby_Doo

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I don't understand - does the fact that it's measurable mean it's real? Is this what makes joy real? If so, then astral projection must also be real since you can 'measure' it?

If astral projection was real then you would have no significant brain activity as astral projection is an 'out of body' or separate from your physical body. The fact that you can measure brain activity during an astral projection 'episode' proves that its all in your head and not real.

Unless you are implying that you need your brain to be out of body? In which case... derp...

On a personal note I am pretty sure brain centers related to creativity will show up when someone comes back and 'describes' the experience...
 

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No, I'm just disputing your statement that " Something that is real either has physical properties or has some parameters than can be measured."
Clearly, not everything that is real has physical properties or has some parameters than can be measured.

We have just countered your argument regarding joy and that is indeed measurable, it's not some magical state you go in to, it is a physical reaction in your brain.

Maybe if you provide some more examples of things that do not fall into my "real" definition we can look at those as I may still be wrong.
 

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No, I'm just disputing your statement that " Something that is real either has physical properties or has some parameters than can be measured."
Clearly, not everything that is real has physical properties or has some parameters than can be measured.

But, to bring it back to the discussion, I think the soul is the 'you' part, or 'me' part of the human and yes, every human is one.

Emotions are a physical response to stimuli. You measure them by measuring body chemistry and brain activity.
 

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Astral projection is the easiest thing to prove.

1) Put someone in a room
2) Put something else in the room next to them
3) Get them to tell you what it is
4) Claim your Nobel Prize
 

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Mortymoose said:
What part of the body causes me to know right from wrong? To feel hatred and love? That feeling of sadness at losing a family member....... we know so little about ourselves....

So, your brain and its various properties = soul?

joelus, you are basically trying to move the argument into a realm where nothing needs explanation. In this case there is absolutely no point in even debating the matter as everything is subjective. Bring the discussion back to a level where everybody can see the same evidence, work with it and come to conclusions.

He's just arguing for the sake of arguing. He enjoys doing that. :D
 

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Here's one theory, we as humans all think we are clever and know everything about science and life..... but our intelligence level is only relative to what our cleverest people have achieved, in the context of the entire universe we might know 2% of what it is all really about, for all we know the earth could be a farm for souls, and what we know as the death experience, could in fact be, as superior intelligence merely harvesting us!

Why can't it be so? :whistling:
 

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Here's one theory, we as humans all think we are clever and know everything about science and life..... but our intelligence level is only relative to what our cleverest people have achieved, in the context of the entire universe we might know 2% of what it is all really about, for all we know the earth could be a farm for souls, and what we know as the death experience, could in fact be, as superior intelligence merely harvesting us!

Why can't it be so? :whistling:

2%! That's aiming a bit high :p
 

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At what point in the human evolutionary tree did the soul appear?

I think it's always been there, but not in all folk...

Added to this , I also believe the Earth/ Refreshes mankind every 12 000 years or so, so all progress we ever made is lost and we start at 0 all over again, inventing and learning all the same things over again.....

How would this refresh occur? Earth flip/ asteroid/Ice Age.... take your pick it matters not.... it's a theory......

:wtf:
 

Nick333

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I think it's always been there, but not in all folk...

Added to this , I also believe the Earth/ Refreshes mankind every 12 000 years or so, so all progress we ever made is lost and we start at 0 all over again, inventing and learning all the same things over again.....

How would this refresh occur? Earth flip/ asteroid/Ice Age.... take your pick it matters not.... it's a theory......

:wtf:

It's barely an hypothesis.
 

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I think it's always been there, but not in all folk...

Added to this , I also believe the Earth/ Refreshes mankind every 12 000 years or so, so all progress we ever made is lost and we start at 0 all over again, inventing and learning all the same things over again.....

How would this refresh occur? Earth flip/ asteroid/Ice Age.... take your pick it matters not.... it's a theory......

:wtf:

You being serious?

If so what brought you to this conclusion, there must be a reason why you believe some so specific happens.
 

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So does a fetus have a soul? How about somebody with advanced dementia/neuro-degenerative disorder. Siamese twins? Or severe mental retardation? How about self aware animals like bonobos and dolphins? Is your soul dependent on memories? If not, what else would your soul take into the afterlife? What about people who have no ability to form memories - what does their soul contain? Is your soul your identity? Is it your memories? Is it your preferences? I really don't know what this thing is. Help me out.
 

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When we refer to souls being in existence I'm sure you'll have to bring some sort of religion into it because imo they go hand in hand.
If there's no God, what would be the need of a soul?

Having said that I think the soul, afterlife etc should be clearly defined in each religion. In the framework of that particular religion a discussion can occur. In contrast, to try and have a discussion outside such a framework (like on an open forum) is ludicrous.

Re. evidence: No physical evidence would exist for the existence of a God except spiritual evidence experienced and/or present by/in the believer of the particular religion and God. To say that the evidence is around us would be a statement, again, from within a religious framework and cannot be proven true or false. In fact, the existence of a God, soul, afterlife etc. cannot be proven true or false
 

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So does a fetus have a soul? How about somebody with advanced dementia/neuro-degenerative disorder. Siamese twins? Or severe mental retardation? How about self aware animals like bonobos and dolphins? Is your soul dependent on memories? If not, what else would your soul take into the afterlife? What about people who have no ability to form memories - what does their soul contain? Is your soul your identity? Is it your memories? Is it your preferences? I really don't know what this thing is. Help me out.

Murray we have done this before here:http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...-quot-human-soul-quot?p=10514499#post10514499

Quote Originally Posted by buyeye View Post

A soul = living creature man or beast klaar





Quote Originally Posted by buyeye View Post

I'll rephrase for clarity .

A soul refferes to every single living creature .

If I see a ginger , two dolphins and three sparrows in a room , I would say there are six souls in the room.





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I'm sorry for not being clear , no there is no such object called a soul but you can use the word soul to refer to any living creature.
 
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I have a strong belief in life after death, along the lines of we all have souls, each life a test on the building of ones soul, at one stage I believed all humans had souls, but that belief began to falter when you see what hatred some people afflict on other humans, the rapist,murderers,soldiers..... The world is just a sick place , at times I often think that earth might actually be hell........

So do you believe that all humans have souls?

Nope.

*edit*

As far as I can tell, there is no such thing.

But, as always, I'm open to evidence to the contrary.
 
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