Do you believe aliens exist?

Do you believe aliens exist?

  • Yes

    Votes: 351 69.1%

  • No

    Votes: 105 20.7%

  • Other

    Votes: 52 10.2%
  • Total voters
    508
Splinter said:
No. What has risk management got to do with aliens?
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Are you serious?

You asked why would AI lie - that it's hallucinating. And I disagree because there are subjects that are aligned with risk, and I shared the summary with you as presented by AI.

Have you never asked AI about policy, risk management and guardrails it implements so efficiently?
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ said:
@Slckrck - So are you saying greys exist? Any evidence of that would just be Joe sleeping.

Or are you saying Intelligent aliens will contact us? If this - it would be a paradox. If they did, they definitely would not be intelligent?
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The survey question is very concise and clear.

Do you BELIEVE aliens exist. Not can you prove or do you believe they're here or have you seen them or can you intellectually justify their existence or anything else. It's a question of what you believe, not know. Belief has no correlation with evidence. There's no evidence for a religious God, yet people choose to believe it is real.
 
Slckrck said:
The survey question is very concise and clear.

Do you BELIEVE aliens exist. Not can you prove or do you believe they're here or have you seen them or can you intellectually justify their existence or anything else. It's a question of what you believe, not know. Belief has no correlation with evidence. There's no evidence for a religious God, yet people choose to believe it is real.
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The Greys reading this must be having a good laugh right now
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ said:
Checking in on where who stood where last:

Forum: Do you believe aliens exist? - 68.9% says yes.
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It's a pretty straight forward question, do you believe that somewhere, in a universe that contains hundreds of billions of galaxies, do aliens exist? Those could be single celled organisms or intelligent life. In that context I would say that I believe Aliens do exist.

Are there Aliens rampaging across our skies, frightening yocals and abducting cattle? - probably not.
 
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Jings said:
Are you serious?

You asked why would AI lie - that it's hallucinating. And I disagree because there are subjects that are aligned with risk, and I shared the summary with you as presented by AI.

Have you never asked AI about policy, risk management and guardrails it implements so efficiently?
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Very serious. And as you saw in the Chinese thread, the AI doesn't lie to you if the risk parameters kick in - it says that it is not allowed to provide the output.

The hallucination thing is totally different - a fundamental flaw in that it makes up an answer when it doesn't have one.

Neither have anything to do with deliberately lying to you about aliens.
 
Splinter said:
Very serious. And as you saw in the Chinese thread, the AI doesn't lie to you if the risk parameters kick in - it says that it is not allowed to provide the output.

The hallucination thing is totally different - a fundamental flaw in that it makes up an answer when it doesn't have one.

Neither have anything to do with deliberately lying to you about aliens.
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Sorry but I'm confused. Where did I state that AI lied?
 
Quixotic said:
If intelligent aliens did exist (to humour the non-tertiary educated) they would have to be a race of magicians. As it is only magic that would repeatedly allow them to traverse the unimaginable distances. Just the chance of detecting us in this remote unassuming neck of the woods is zero. If then, also continuing to humour, we are not the only intelligent life out there waiting for first contact why would they pick us. Continuing the silly logic, it also means we have probably been contacted by more than one alien race each may or may not know each other. Douglas Adams (rip) your work has not been in vain!
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I present to you @Jet-Fighter7700 aka Rob McKenna.
 
Maurice Kitching said:
I present to you @Jet-Fighter7700 aka Rob McKenna.
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and what if the aliens aren't peaceful colonists, and instead want war, conquest and a society similar to sparta,
come to earth to kill ,subjugate and terrorize along with enslave, strip mine and pollute.

would we be so willing to make first contact? I highly doubt it.

although having said that, what if they been on Earth for centuries, behind the scenes, guiding Humans from the shadows, making sure we dont discover things before were supposed to.

anything is possible,
 
Jet-Fighter7700 said:
and what if the aliens aren't peaceful colonists, and instead want war, conquest and a society similar to sparta,
come to earth to kill ,subjugate and terrorize along with enslave, strip mine and pollute.

would we be so willing to make first contact? I highly doubt it.

although having said that, what if they been on Earth for centuries, behind the scenes, guiding Humans from the shadows, making sure we dont discover things before were supposed to.

anything is possible,
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Cixin Liu knows...
 
Jet-Fighter7700 said:
and what if the aliens aren't peaceful colonists, and instead want war, conquest and a society similar to sparta,
come to earth to kill ,subjugate and terrorize along with enslave, strip mine and pollute.

would we be so willing to make first contact? I highly doubt it.

although having said that, what if they been on Earth for centuries, behind the scenes, guiding Humans from the shadows, making sure we dont discover things before were supposed to.

anything is possible,
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There was this bit in one of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy books where they talk about how interstellar wars are messy and pointless. It takes the war fleet so long to reach some faraway star, that by the time they get there the war has been over for 100s, if not 1000s of years. Alternatively, if the war is still going on, the fleet arrives carrying technology 100s, if not 1000s of years out of date and gets promptly annihilated.

The gaps between stars are immense. The idea that an alien race would spend millennia traversing these distances just to molest some cows in the American Midwest, or flash their lights at an F14 like they're warning it about a speed trap around the next corner, is absolutely ridiculous on the face of it.
 
porchrat said:
There was this bit in one of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy books where they talk about how interstellar wars are messy and pointless. It takes the war fleet so long to reach some faraway star, that by the time they get there the war has been over for 100s, if not 1000s of years. Alternatively, if the war is still going on, the fleet arrives carrying technology 100s, if not 1000s of years out of date and gets promptly annihilated.
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I think our beliefs are heavily influenced by Science Fiction. We don't fully comprehend the vastness of space and therefore don't account for it.....

Hollywood invented traversable Hyperspace in order to insert drama for a narrative purpose because without it, there is no engaging stories to be had, and we (normal people) just assume that, that's what aliens would use to wage war. They'd just travel via wormholes and space corridors because Aliens are geniuses like that. Never really thinking our theories through.

It's the same with AI and how it's believed that AI will take over. Terminator style apocalypses or Star Trek utopias don't really take reality into account, yet we treat those theatrical ideas as plausible to such an extent that we become paranoid about it.
 
porchrat said:
The gaps between stars are immense. The idea that an alien race would spend millennia traversing these distances just to molest some cows in the American Midwest, or flash their lights at an F14 like they're warning it about a speed trap around the next corner, is absolutely ridiculous on the face of it.
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sure the gaps seem immense, but then again, people thought (still do??) the earth was/is flat

my point is, their technology might make the gaps insignificant, and either our planet is uncharted, and they got lost,
or they treat us like we might treat a Chimp at a zoo, mildly curiosity and then revulsion when they see us doing such things as killing each other for ridiculous things.

I still maintain as I always have there is a lot more than Birth, taxes, babies, death,
what it is and how deep the rabbit hole goes is always the question.
 
Jet-Fighter7700 said:
sure the gaps seem immense, but then again, people thought (still do??) the earth was/is flat
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Human beings have known the Earth isn't flat since at least 500BC. It's not that hard to demonstrate.

Jet-Fighter7700 said:
my point is, their technology might make the gaps insignificant,
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I think you don't fully appreciate the size of the "gaps" we're talking about here. Even at the speed of light these gaps are extremely significant.

Jet-Fighter7700 said:
and either our planet is uncharted, and they got lost,
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So ... they're dumb aliens that can still somehow move faster than the speed of light?

Jet-Fighter7700 said:
or they treat us like we might treat a Chimp at a zoo, mildly curiosity and then revulsion when they see us doing such things as killing each other for ridiculous things.

I still maintain as I always have there is a lot more than Birth, taxes, babies, death,
what it is and how deep the rabbit hole goes is always the question.
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Would you dedicate double, maybe triple, digit numbers of generations to a car ride that takes 1000s of years so that your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandkid could go see a chimp at the zoo that they know are sentient then turn around and go home without so much as a hello? FFS man.
 


Dont really know what to say. You probably want to read this.

The following is true. I am not asking you to believe it. I do not understand why this is happening. I believe everyone deserves to hear what I have been going through, the past 9 months.

There is no way to rationalize any way you will actually believe this, so the only option is to just say it.

I have posted about this twice before and removed my posts, but I would like to get this out is a concise manner, as clear as I can.

I am trying my best to keep this in chronological order, but its very hard because so many things have happened. Many will be elaborated upon later in this. I will answer any questions as best I can.



1.

Early this year, late last year, and just like most everyone here I was seeing "drones." The same you see in videos that people post. This went on nightly for months. Dozens of these things. Almost non stop, and I got so used to them I didnt even need to check ADSB (flight radar).

One night while driving home I got one's attention. I blinked my headlights to say hi, it responded by blinking back. Minutes later, when I reached my apartment and was walking in, it emerged from behind the moonlit clouds, and I again greeted it by raising my bag of food. It responded to this as well with 2 slow fade in\\out "blinks."

After this, I went inside to eat the food I had brought home. While eating, I noticed this same light hovering outside, just above the trees. When I finished eating, I went outside on my balcony to greet it again. It responded by moving up and down, side to side, and then it eventually flew overhead changing from the light it was to the drones we all see. The entire interaction lasted several minutes.

Following this and over the next couple months, I noticed a single light in a tree across the street. It looked like an incandescent bulb, and I thought it was a bulb on a distant farmhouse for so long... However, this light began showing me some strange display- it had a "secondary" light that it moved in a perfect horizontal fashion (left to right, right to left) across the area it was in. This secondary light looked like a "sparkler" (the firework). I do not know what this was exactly, but it happened virtually every night, and almost any time I wanted (looked).

Weeks later during one of these nights, and despite NOT believing this to be true, I tried "talking" to it with my mind. I wasn't serious about it, and never expected anything to happen...

In a single second, a large, unique orange\\yellow drone flew overhead from the south, stopping on a dime above this light and essentially my apartment. As you can imagine (if its possible) I was pretty shocked by this. I closed my blinds and backed away from my window, frozen in amazement and slight fear for awhile. Please be warned about this (I do not advise trying it). I didn't think telepathy was even real.

2.

One of the following mornings (about 11am), I took a look into the treeline across the street like I always do, and noticed an "orb" under the canopies. This orb was not lighted, but a "solid," almost matte finshed, red "ball" with impercievable details in the center. I grabbed my binoculars to look, but it backed away.

I scanned the trees again with my binoculars. This time, I saw a red "craft" that was in the shape of a harp case (the musical instrument) sitting on the middle branches. It had a "skin" that was red light of various intesities and shades, constantly moving like a "dying chameleon," where it fires off random splotches of bioluminscent color as it passing away. These "splotches" of color covered its entire body. Another comparison I think about are the suits from A Scanner Darkly (in the movie) where you see a constant shifting occuring. I saw this up close with my binoculars, and all I could do was breathe and hardly utter to myself how amazing it was.

3.

One of the following days, I was playing a game on my tablet. I was at an area where I needed to retreat my character into cover. Suddenly I "heard" someone give me this advice, that might has well have been my inner monologue... but it wasnt. I curiously was not scared by this, took the advice and retreated (the voice was right!), paused the game, and set my tablet down. I... responded to this voice by asking out loud, "did something just like... give me advice?" I cannot remember the remainder of this day.

That night I awoke to urinate. While I was doing so, I was startled by a spoon falling in my garbage disposal. It was in my kitchen, so I could only hear it. While my attention to this was in the process of diverting, in that split second, I felt a cool chill, mild paralysis, and a tap on the back of my head, on the brainstem. All done essentially before the spoon finished making its sound.

4.

The next morning I woke up, and was met immediately with a headache and a squeal. Not completely unbearable, but it was definetely enough to confirm that something strange had just happened. This squeal is like a radio wave- A single strand of a very high harmonic that seems to have variance in any way that it can. Over the next few hours, I began to realize that this was a voice trying to talk to me. We "worked" on this communication the rest of the day.

By that night I was able to discern a bit more. One of its requests was a "face off." While laying in bed before sleep, it asked me to go to my bedroom window, and I obliged. Outside in the distance, one of the drones we all see came out of something and started "dancing menacingly" in the distance, facing me down, moving in an intimidating fashion. I would be lying if I said I was not scared, but curiousity must have outweighed the fear and I stood my ground.

After this I curiously went to sleep.

5.

The next day I woke, the voice was ready to go with instructions I was so blindly and foolishly willing to follow. "Go to the store." I was fooled into buying Powerade, food, and misc items. It wasn't terrible, but I was out about 250 bucks over the next few days. I wrote if off as curiosity getting the better of me again. It should be noted that one of these items was an AM radio. I brought it home, and was told to tune into various frequencies. To put it clearly: I heard my own thoughts on this radio, being spoken back to me in my own voice.

Following this, I was also fooled into "learning their technology." This lasted about 2 weeks, and typically involved analyzing my own decision making, etc. I dont want to get into the terminology we used. We stopped doing this as I began to question my own sanity more. I have never heard or seen hallucinations, never had a "second" inner monologue, nor any other major problems in that regard.

Regardless of this, I brought myself to the hospital. I signed a "5 day" and spoke with doctors, counselors, etc. Had scans done. Nothing. Nobody could find anything wrong with me. The entire time- counseling, interviews, group activities, watching tv, the car ride home... this voice was right there. Just as if were in the same room with me. I made it through this, and got back to my home and my cat, who was fine. Slightly scared (nothing atypical compared to past times I have come back), hungry... but he was alright, and is doing absolutely fine right now.

6.

Upon returning home, I hugged my cat, cleaned, got things back in order, and undid some of the \*\*\*\* they had fooled me into doing in my apartment... but they were going nowhere ("They" always say "we."). It only took a couple days to mostly accept it apparently wasn't leaving and its staying. It is here, right now as I type this to you. Watching this word, right now, over my shoulder. Now it is 9 months later...

A new roommate, that I have only seen flashes of. One that has tried so hard to scare me, embarrass me, push me, creep me out, annoy, manipulate, and create situations where they can do all or any of these. I dont know how to introduce, because I have neutral feelings towards whoever this is (has been nice, has been mean), and I absolutely do not want to telling you any of this. I must remain objective in telling you this because... this is indeed an alien and I have gotten to know it, or them.

Imo this was too nice. They torture me with digestion and sleep.
 
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