Do you believe aliens exist?

Do you believe aliens exist?

  • Yes

    Votes: 215 81.1%

  • No

    Votes: 50 18.9%
  • Total voters
    265
saor said:
I can make the same such conflationary assertion about my belief in unicorns. Reason isn't getting me to unicorns, but rather a giant leap.
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I'm not aware of any unicorn that claims to be the first cause. There's no way you can make the same argument about unicorns, that's completely dishonest.
 
saor said:
I can make the same such conflationary assertion about my belief in unicorns. Reason isn't getting me to unicorns, but rather a giant leap.
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Unicorns are real. It's a translation of the Greek 'mono-(s)keras', meaning "one-horn", ie what we know in English as a rhinoceros ("nose-horn"). ;)

The medievals loved to play with words and things (just look at their outlandish hats), and so - as a play on words - invented the horsey unicorn. They knew it was a joke, as many writers attest. Moderns, knowing nothing about the past and ignorant of history, don't get the joke.

That said, unicorns are very much contingent. They are not self-existing so we need to look beyond them for the reason for their existence. They cannot possibly be a candidate self-existing being or first cause (ie cause of everything else). No banana, I'm afraid.
 
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Whenever God is brought in to this kind of debate, it's important to remember that if we choose to follow Creationist logic, then by that very logic a question arises: Who created God?

The real answer here is humans. Humans created God. Not the other way around. Other species on this planet cannot comprehend the existence of a God, which contradicts us and our "knowledge" of deities. Why create other lifeforms that cannot acknowledge your supposed presence, except for humans? Why allow other forms of worship to exist, when it is explicitly forbidden in religious texts?

My take on this whole thing? It would be foolish not to realize that life (in whatever form) exists elsewhere in the Universe, from simple organic matter going up to and including God-like beings. Life as we know it being present on a planet is rare enough, with the exact conditions needed and millions of years in the making. Hell, we weren't even the first life forms on this planet and we possibly won't be the last.

Of course, it would be awesome to confirm the existence of alien lifeforms, hopefully in my lifetime. Perhaps even contact them and hope that they are not hostile. Most likely scenarios? 4500 years is a blink of an eye for our most recent visitors, and all they met back then were primitive beings using fire for light. Or, the dominant humans just had control over thousands of slaves that were put to work building the ancient monuments we see today.
 
StevenC said:
Whenever God is brought in to this kind of debate, it's important to remember that if we choose to follow Creationist logic, then by that very logic a question arises: Who created God?
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You just failed at 'creationists logic' and normal kind of logic aswell.
The idea is nobody created God, he is eternal, the alpha and omega, beginning and end...

I'm sure the rest is BS seeing you made such a mistake right in your opening statement.
 
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us".
- Calvin

I was abducted by aliens once. Probed and everything.
So yes.
 
porchrat said:
He typed from his electronic device connected to a ubiquitous planetary network designed for the intercontinental exchange of information in less than a second.
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We only consider ourselves 'intelligent' cos we defined it. They could be looking at us like we look at beavers, oh look, they built dams how cute is that... oh look, they built satellites, how cute is that. We're barely out of caves, we could be so far off from what intelligence is we don't ever register on the meter yet
 
Noooooo, definitely not. They would have found us by now if there were - unless they did not deem us worthy of a visit or we somehow scared them off...
 
We're the only intelligent beings in something as vast and infinite as the universe? Highly unlikely.
 
I quite enjoyed this book:

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Lonely Planets: The Natural Philosophy of Alien Life

It's been nearly four decades since Carl Sagan first addressed the general public from a scientist's perspective, confronting the possibility of extraterrestrial life. David Grinspoon, a planetary scientist who has helped to shape modern planetary exploration, brings the subject to a new generation of readers with his reflections on the most recent developments in astrobiology, including NASA's search for life on Mars. In Lonely Planets, he investigates the big questions: How widespread are life and intelligence in the cosmos? Is life on Earth an accident or in some sense the "purpose" of this universe? And how can we, working from the Earth-centric definition of "life," even begin to think about the varieties of life-forms on other planets?
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They originated in one druggy's head(High up), then spread the message to other and now its all over the fake news.
 
:crylaugh: Reading the comments on this post and my cellphone lying next to my laptop rings, my ringtone is the X files theme song :crylaugh:
 
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