Do you own a firearm?

Do you own a firearm?

  • Yes

    Votes: 82 25.5%

  • No

    Votes: 133 41.3%

  • No, but I am looking into it

    Votes: 90 28.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 17 5.3%
  • Total voters
    322
Neuk_ said:
I am in the process of obtaining a firearm but employment issues mean that finances are tight which is limiting the process. My wife has a firearm though and I have my competency after doing the written and practical tests before applying at our local SAPS.
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While not ideal, you can always apply for an additional license for your wife's firearm in the meantime. I'm just no sure about the logistics regarding if it's S13, and you apply for an additional (S13 licence) and then want to get your own. I'm not 100% sure how it works, but it is currently possible. An additional license is a S12 application but from my understanding (which may be wrong) is that it gets licensed under the same section / usage as the main license holder. Or maybe I'm completely wrong here and it just gets licensed as S12 and klaar.

Brian_G said:
Something not understood about those of us who are anti-gun usage.
  • Many of us have a healthy respect for gun owners' rights - it's your choice.
  • Some of us have actually used weapons - was in the army, got quite good at shooting with my riffle.

We also know that guns get people shot when tempers are lost, or kids find them, even cleaning them is dangerous for those not careful enough.
We respect your rights, respect our decision not to too.
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Unless you're GFSA. They don't want anyone owning firearms (legally). No rights respected there, and it's beyond stupid.
My_King said:
I hope to never find out.

"Any lawful purpose" is written in the law.

Technically there should not be an issue, but I don't have money to prove it.
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There are recorded cases where this has happened and nothing happened to the people who defended themselves in this manner (in cases where it was found to be self defence).


As for me, errr, boating accident.
 
The Darkness said:
This chart says it all: We have one of the highest crime rates in the World, yet such a low 'guns per capita'. That crime rate would be seriously reduced if we upped our GPC rate considerably.

en.wikipedia.org

Estimated number of civilian guns per capita by country - Wikipedia

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I don't agree. There's not a strong correlation there.

Interestingly Ukraine sits right next to South Africa on that list. They're actually quite similar in a number of ways - similar land area (at least pre-annexation), similar population until about 2014 or so (theirs has been declining birth rate there while ours is showing no signs of slowing down).

They have little to zero violent crime. We have a lot.

So adding more guns into hands of civilians I don't think will solve things here. There's no magic bullet (if you'll pardon the pun).

FWIW: I'm not pro-gun at all. While I wouldn't ban them, but I'd feel a lot more comfortable in the kind of society that people have the right to have them but mostly choose not to.
 
newby_investor said:
I don't agree. There's not a strong correlation there.

Interestingly Ukraine sits right next to South Africa on that list. They're actually quite similar in a number of ways - similar land area (at least pre-annexation), similar population until about 2014 or so (theirs has been declining birth rate there while ours is showing no signs of slowing down).

They have little to zero violent crime. We have a lot.

So adding more guns into hands of civilians I don't think will solve things here. There's no magic bullet (if you'll pardon the pun).

FWIW: I'm not pro-gun at all. While I wouldn't ban them, but I'd feel a lot more comfortable in the kind of society that people have the right to have them but mostly choose not to.
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Do you think this would happen if all the shoppers were packing?

The Shopping Centre Armed Robbery Thread....

And a government issued R5.
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wingnut771 said:
Do you think this would happen if all the shoppers were packing?

The Shopping Centre Armed Robbery Thread....

And a government issued R5.
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This discussion happens ad nauseum over in the US. I don't think it's worth entering into there.

The tl;dr is, they have lots of guns there, some of them are armed to the teeth in fact, and they still have quite high crime.

In certain instances, some kinds of crimes may be prevented. But I don't see any evidence that this would be noticeable on the grand scale of things.
 
SykomantiS said:
While not ideal, you can always apply for an additional license for your wife's firearm in the meantime. I'm just no sure about the logistics regarding if it's S13, and you apply for an additional (S13 licence) and then want to get your own. I'm not 100% sure how it works, but it is currently possible. An additional license is a S12 application but from my understanding (which may be wrong) is that it gets licensed under the same section / usage as the main license holder. Or maybe I'm completely wrong here and it just gets licensed as S12 and klaar.
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We did look at that before I did my training and exams early last year but decided it would be better for me to get my own firearm and associated licences.
 
wingnut771 said:
How do we go about reversing the woke gfsa laws that were created?
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Joining a civil society group that advocates for guns I guess would be your best bet.

And make your voice heard - write to your local member of parliament? They're the only ones that can change the law.
 
newby_investor said:
Joining a civil society group that advocates for guns I guess would be your best bet.

And make your voice heard - write to your local member of parliament? They're the only ones that can change the law.
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I'm sure people have done that already and yet we still live with the legacy of gfsa amnesty act of 2000 making it illegal to own guns that were given to you by your grandfather.
 
wingnut771 said:
I'm sure people have done that already and yet we still live with the legacy of gfsa amnesty act of 2000 making it illegal to own guns that were given to you by your grandfather.
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That particular case makes sense.

If we accept that an individual needs to be licenced to own a gun, and the licence can't be inherited along with the gun, then you'd run into that kind of situation.

I'm not a lawyer or a gun-owner, so I'm not sure exactly how that would be dealt with.
 
am-user said:
And if it is a legit question?
What is the legal status of such a device?
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Airguns are described in the FCA, even though you know it was not a legit question.

Sound like it might make a somewhat effective club, that is not described in the FCA.
 
Brian_G said:
Nope

Actually had an interesting mixed example a few years back - some guys trying to force open one of our security gates in the early hours.
I shouted at them that I was fetching my gun, and they walked calmly off the property.

That was fine. But if they had got inside it would have been different. Many abusers just want to take the money and run, only a few are determined to kill anyway.
And I don't have a family to protect..
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They're coming back for the gun you don't have.
 
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